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Jake Winn

12-26-2007 22:38:56

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Hello, i have a 52 H i am setting up for stock antique pulling. It is an X1E (low speed, 5000 ft). I have pulled it once so far on a hard track and it did ok. It runs great and seems to have good power. I purchaced a set of higher compression 3 3/8 pistons with the taller domes. I am assuming these work with the stock head ok. Is there a way to put bigger valves in it to help it breath? What about intake and exhaust using OEM parts? It has a gas manifold on it. I plan on pulling it in 4000 and 5000 lb classes. Have pressed wheels on it and weight brackets in rear, front and mid section to keep it balanced. Any other little tricks i can do. I ran it on a dyno and got 28 hp out of it which i thought was pretty good for a stock 55 year old machine. thanks and happy new year.

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ChadS

12-28-2007 05:53:41

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Re: Farmall H pulling tips and questions in reply to Karl Hamson, 12-26-2007 22:38:56

georgeky said: (quoted from post at 23:18:44 12/27/07) I have never seen a H or SH that would pull with a good M. Hell my 350 won't and it is heavier than the M.

GeorgeKY, Come to Northern Indiana sometime this summer to a pull. Ill show you a H farmall that runs against Ms all the time! When we started pulling H's,, the laughs could be heard for miles!! Everybody said, that a H aint worth nothing for pulling. Until, the H started getting by em all, and became the tractor that could not be beaten,, and soon that phrase was no longer said.
The stock phrase is not possible. When you put in an overbore kit, even for that model, its no longer stock, when you put in stepped head pistons where it had flat tops, its not stock,,,, if you put on a new manifold, its not stock, if you put on electronic IGN its not stock,,,,, if you use high test fuel, its not stock.

The list goes on and on. Complaints go on and on,, But a great H,,, can whip on a good M if somebody takes the time and effort to try. Been there, and have done that though. JMHO. ChadS ChadS3@hotmail.com

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Jake Winn

12-27-2007 17:10:51

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Re: Farmall H pulling tips and questions in reply to Jake Winn, 12-26-2007 22:38:56

Thanks for the comments fellas. I forgot to add that I am out in Oregon. Here we dont have stock, super stock, farm stock or what ever classes. Just standard old classes with a progressive weight sled, no stone boats. They usually are 0-3000 lbs and up in 1000 increments. We dont have a lot of 5000 lb tractors. M's are to light and hard to ballance for the power usually. There is a couple oliver 70's that seem to be tough, but one turns wayyyyy over RPM. In teh 4000 lb classes, usually its Cockshutt 30's, JD B's, mabye a Super H or H, and a few MM Z's. Im not out to will all the time, just have fun and keep it safe.

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Andrew Z

12-27-2007 06:57:21

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Re: Farmall H pulling tips and questions in reply to Jake Winn, 12-26-2007 22:38:56

(i assume this is stone boat??)If you want to do your best pull in 4500lbs classes, youll pull against Oliver 77, 88, JD B's some lite A's, other H's and even a few lite M's are possible. With the low first grear you have a pretty good set up really learn how to use it with useing the throttle and the breaks. There is a guy in my club that won the class with a low gear H for the last 2 out of 3 years, beats anything from Oliver 88's to Farmall M's. I pull a H in 4000lbs and do ok i maninly pull for fun but even with a stock H i can still beat some of those oliver 70's and JB B's. My father pulls a low gear Super H in 4500lbs and 5500lbs and does better in the 5500lbs pound class that tractor has about 40 some horse now but hes out pulled M's, 88's 50's even a 60. but thats a Super H. But i would not get discouraged!! That H will pull well, you have to learn how to use the throttle and breaks and blance to get it to pull well, it may take a few pulls or even a few years but dont give up!

Andrew

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georgeky

12-27-2007 22:18:44

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Re: Farmall H pulling tips and questions in reply to Andrew Z, 12-27-2007 06:57:21

I have never seen a H or SH that would pull with a good M. Hell my 350 won't and it is heavier than the M.

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james rumph

12-27-2007 06:34:04

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Re: Farmall H pulling tips and questions in reply to Jake Winn, 12-26-2007 22:38:56

A "H" is a fine tractor and "Ms" do get down under 5000 lbs in stock class . I have seen Hs in 5000 and they don"t fare well.

As for the term "stock" well i run a dyno service for vintage tractors and see big #s all the time on so called stock tractors.

I pull a Super M in stock that has the 450 -281 cub kit in it which is stock for these blocks. I also use the 450 gas head that is [stock ] to these motors , with a lot of work done to it. In facory stock trim it makes 44 hp , mine in factory worked on stock parts makes 72 hp at 1710 rpm. Don"t kid your self there isn"t any "true stock" tractors that pull that do well . I still use the orignal 52 Super M cam but i"m probaly going to change that to the 450 as well .

I come accross this all the time "O" it"s stock the dyno doesn"t lie , i went as far as to have it calibrated and certified threw the U.S goverments dept of weights and measures ! All dynos read a little differnt and i never call some one a lier , but i know after all my work that mine reads correct .

Have fun with the H email or call Waynes repair they did my current head "wow" . Also setting the timing is very impotant, we have gotten 10 hp on the dyno by finding the correct timing .

www.waynesrepair.com

P.S - a good hot coil helps on these old motors .

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Jack a

12-27-2007 07:39:06

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Re: Farmall H pulling tips and questions in reply to james rumph, 12-27-2007 06:34:04

Not to argue but I do well with my two very stock tractors. Pulling in the 4,000# and 4,500# classes with one and 6,500# and 7,500# classes with the other and have gotten quite a few trophies over the years including first, many many times. Yes, there are only a few true stockers left. Hopped up "stock" may be why so many have left pulling over the past 10 years or so in my area. I haven't pulled much in the last 5 or 6 years myself.

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dej(jed)

12-27-2007 04:43:34

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Re: Farmall H pulling tips and questions in reply to Jake Winn, 12-26-2007 22:38:56

Jake----- I wouldn't worry about M's as they are too heavy to make the 5000 lb class. The AC WD's & 45's, the JD A's and even the MH 44 can make your weight class. Don't take this the wrong way , but you are out gunned at 5000 lbs.

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Dairy Farmer in WI

12-27-2007 18:22:23

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Re: Farmall H pulling tips and questions in reply to dej(jed), 12-27-2007 04:43:34

i've seen many M make 4500# classes. they take the cast off, hyd pump, belt pully, put pressed steetl front and back and get rid of the unnessesary things, PTO hyds, fenders, light bracket, ect. farthest i can get mine down to is 5500# but i got cast with live hyd and belt pully on.
if there is a will, there's a way. now JD 4010's in 5500 is hard to explain
DF in WI

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georgeky

12-27-2007 09:42:20

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Re: Farmall H pulling tips and questions in reply to dej(jed), 12-27-2007 04:43:34

Pulled my M in many a 5000 pound pulls. Can get it down to 4700 pounds. That leaves enough for me.

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Jack a

12-27-2007 04:23:37

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Re: Farmall H pulling tips and questions in reply to Jake Winn, 12-26-2007 22:38:56

IMHO you are no longer stock. Now this is just me, so don't get too offended. To me stock means as near to factory spec as possible. Everything I pull is true stock. I make an effort to stay stock by sticking with original type pistons and such. It can be done. There is a class, usually, that allows for an upgraded engine that isn't considered hot rod. That sounds like more the class you might want to pull in. Again, I don't want to upset anybody. If you are going to go true stock then the H is a poor choice.

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georgeky

12-26-2007 23:47:18

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Re: Farmall H pulling tips and questions in reply to Jake Winn, 12-26-2007 22:38:56

I am not much help to you, but I have never seen an H do to good in the 5000 pound class. The M's will just walk all over it.

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