Farmall 140 PTO question

speaking of a creeper gear....is there anyway to install such a critter? I'd love to have one in my SA. If it were possible..... I'd toss 4th gear and have a creeper and 1, 2 and 3.

This photo was sent to me along with a text, giving a brief description. I accidently deleted that text at the time. I never been able to contact that individual since. He found me through YT. I guess he was not a regular. I've had this on file close to 4 years.

I'll go take a look...thanks for posting it.

I'd like to think a machine shop could cut a low-low gear and 4th gear could be taken out and the new one installed in it's place. Just figuring out how many teeth and diameter of the gear is all I could see, one would need to figure out. Yes, it would be a big job to install, but you'd only do it once.

I don't know much about the device in the photo I posted, however I suspect he has used the same reduction gears as used in the factory PTO, and instead of having the driven pto shaft directly below the driver, he sets it at 45 degrees, then drives the tractor from that using only lower shaft of transmission. In other words his creeper only has one speed. He may do this using a pinion to the ring gear coming in from rear. I have toyed with building a similar device, putting PTO shaft dead center on tractor, then having a clutch between pto and drive to wheels. This would give Live PTO in the creeper gear.

Now I've got the wheels turning upstairs, haven't I.

I've never had a SA tranny apart to see what the gear train looks like....I suppose a person could refer to a repair manual and get an idea....but putting your hands on the real McCoy would be the best.I have no idea if the engineers that designed the transmission case only allowed enough room for the gears they would use....or made it larger than necessary. Maybe somebody who is familiar with the transmission innards will chime in and offer an opinion.

Are you familiar with Hydra Creeper drive. Decent little device, however one could not use the PTO while using the Hydra Creeper. It was basically a hydraulic motor on the PTO shaft and driven by a remote valve on the tractor. It came with a heavy duty clutch release bearing, and one tied the clutch down during use.

I've toyed with the idea of a modified PTO, placing the output shaft close to center rear of tractor. Then use a hydraulic pump and motor to give motive power to wheels. I've looked at placing the motor at front driving bottom shaft of transmission. This would require modification of torque tube.

Makes me wonder about the newer IH 274 transmission. I THINK it is a 6 speed...3 hi/low range, but it may be 8.

I have heard all sorts of stories about the last offsets sold by IH (274), JD (900HC), and Kubota (L245H). Some say they are great, others curse them.

I had a Yanmar built JD 1050 and if that 900HC was made as well.....there can be no flies in that ointment! I think the 900 was essentially an offset 950. They have 8 speeds.....a very slow creeper and a 3 cylinder diesel that sips fuel and is extremely reliable. I rarely ever see one for sale though.

Also recently started using a 3 Pt sickle mower (7') on one without problem.

Personally I'm not a very big fan of tillers, just an expensive way to till the soil. I've been growing garden vegetables and flowers, some years up to 20 acres, for over 45 years, never owned a tiller yet. I used to plow quite a few gardens for folks. One didn't need to see the tiller to know he was using one, the soil was a lot like concrete. I had one guy ask me why nothing would grow in his garden. I told him why nothing would grow, by asking him how much vegetation grew up through his concrete patio and garage floor. I went there with 130, moldboard plow, disk and s-tine cultivator. Hardest plowing I ever did, lifetime. He had that soil pulverized as fine as concrete, and believe me, it was set up almost as hard. I plowed, disked and cultivated it until I had a foot of loose plantable soil. As I loaded up my equipment, there he was, out there with his cement maker, happy as if he was all there.