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Smoothcat

01-05-2008 20:33:54




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What is the general census on the best way to free a seized motor? Just traded for the tractor the other day and I was going to shoot some heated P B Blaster in the cylinders and rock it in gear. Good idea or not? Any other fluids better or not?




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Smoothcat

01-07-2008 19:07:55




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 Re: Seized M in reply to Smoothcat, 01-05-2008 20:33:54  
Thanks for all of the ideas. I am going to get after it later on this week. I really do appreceiate all ideas. Smoothcat



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Jaden

01-07-2008 17:44:44




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 Re: Seized M in reply to Smoothcat, 01-05-2008 20:33:54  
I freed up my Super M be soaking the cylinders with penetrating oil(after blowing out any moisture), and then putting a 24" pipe wrench on the front of the crank shaft by the crank hooks.
John



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Lee in Iowa

01-06-2008 11:59:14




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 Re: Seized M in reply to Smoothcat, 01-05-2008 20:33:54  
I have no idea if it works or not but they say a guy around here soaks them for a while and then has a hydraulic hose with an adapter on one end to screw in the spark plug hole and then uses hydraulic pressure to move the piston. Lee



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Steven f/AZ

01-06-2008 10:58:07




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 Re: Seized M in reply to Smoothcat, 01-05-2008 20:33:54  
How did it stick?

I've got one tractor that I got loose without removing the head, and there was so much rust and scale in the water passages that the head cracked after I got it running anyway.

If it is stuck from water getting down the exhaust, you will need a complete rebuild.



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JT

01-06-2008 09:50:46




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 Re: Seized M in reply to Smoothcat, 01-05-2008 20:33:54  
Unless you plan on doing a complete overhaul, I have used Old's way and it works good. I have an H that had been sitting for 5 years with no head on it, put trany fluid in and let it sit for a couple weeks, noticed oil disappearing in one cylinder, put more in, let it sit,eventually all 4 kept loosing oil, about 6 weeks, took off pan, took off rod cap, and pushed all 4 pistons out, honed cylinders, going to put rings in it and put it to work, there was no cylinder damage this way. Remember, it took time to stick, so it is going to take time to unstick it. If you get in a hurry, you can do some damage to the engine. The thing that concerns me by using heat to loosen it, you may get some metal fatigue if you plan on using the pistons again, and it could crack a sleeve, I would think.
Jim

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Pat-CT

01-06-2008 08:07:00




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 Re: Seized M in reply to Smoothcat, 01-05-2008 20:33:54  
my uncle got a siezed A this last summer and we put some pb blaster in the head let it sit an hour or so..rocked it back in fourth in high gear and bam it poped and it was running after the carb was cleaned go for it just dont pull the tractor to try and break it lose if it doesnt break free with the pb blaster then you have to pull the head



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Andy Martin

01-06-2008 06:31:05




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 Re: Seized M in reply to Smoothcat, 01-05-2008 20:33:54  
This is always a topic of much discussion here. I'm like old, I've freed lots of them without teardown and more often than not they start and run without smoking much. Sometimes it is a tractor I parked and left too long and it stuck so I know it is mechanically OK.

If you are one of the guys that can't stand having a piece of used equipment, then go ahead and tear it down. You can buy all new parts and have the confidence nothing is wrong. I've been lucky, I've got 14 M's and have not put a set of sleeves in one, rings have always been enough.

If it was stored right, and did not get a lot of rain down the exhaust, and wasn't damaged when left to sit (like blew a head gasket and got antifreeze in the cylinders) it may not be stuck very bad.

When you pull the spark plugs you will learn a lot. If water runs out and you live in a freezing area there may be significant damage. If the plugs are lightly rusted, especially #2, it may be in pretty good shape.

What does the previous owner say? They can be a big help. Although there are some liars around, I have found most previous owners to tell me as much as they know, but they rarely know very much about the tractor. You have to evaluate what they say.

If you have a few weeks or months, and want to save money, try to free it up. If money is no object, tear it down.

I use Marvel Mystery Oil, probably no better than transmission fluid but I like it. PB Blaster is good, I've never heard of heating it, and squirting it into cold steel, it will cool pretty quickly.

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gene bender

01-06-2008 03:21:11




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 Re: Seized M in reply to Smoothcat, 01-05-2008 20:33:54  
I would pull the head and then you can see the pistons and cycl walls this will tell you if it needs to be torn apart and rebuilt if its stuck probably needs overhaul anyway. Depending on where engine sat and how long its probably junk. Pulling spark plugs and looking in the hole at the cycl walls will tell if it needs to come apart.



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John A.

01-05-2008 23:14:59




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 Re: Seized M in reply to Smoothcat, 01-05-2008 20:33:54  
Smoothcat, You can do this quicker and easier than waiting 6 months for the tranny fluid to free it up.
Follow what I telly you.
1st, get hood, gas tank, head, manifold, and oilpan off.
2nd, Remove the rod caps, # them and set aside.
3rd, Roll tractor outside, and remove ALL combustables away from the tractor and immediate area.
4th, One cylinder at a time, fill the cylinder full of Diesel, add a splash of gas. Set it on fire, let it burn itself out!
5th, drive the pistons up for the crank is in the way to go down.
NOTE( if the engine was on an engine stand and the Crank was removed, one could drive the pistons out, and down through the bottom) Thus saving the pistons and sleeves, they might be saved.
The fire will expand the sleeve and break the rust loose. Just be safe, observe common safty practices. You can get this job done in a afternoon. Sometimes two or more burns may be needed if the piston is near the top of its stroke. Good luck, hope this helps.
Later,
John A.

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old

01-05-2008 21:46:35




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 Re: Seized M in reply to Smoothcat, 01-05-2008 20:33:54  
Fill the cylinders with tranny fluid. And forget the rocking of the tires its a joke big time. Let it sit a week and then with a 12 volt battery try to starter with the plugs out. Never leave them out to keep dirt out. Hit the starter with short fast hits don't hold it. If it frees up good if it doesn't top them off again and try in a week. Keep doing that for 6 months. If it doesn't free up in 6 months its time to go deeper. BTDT and have so for out of 20 only had 2 that didn't pop free doing that

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