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Dave2

01-07-2008 10:55:11

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Hi folks,
I would like to get some weight on the back of my tractor to offset a 600+ bale of hay hanging on the front loader without taking the big concrete 3pt hitch weight I have off and on. I usually keep a container on the back this time of year for hauling manure, but between Mar and Nov I like to keep the back free for moving water tanks etc. Is there any advantage to filling my rear wheels or is it more trouble than it's worth? Figured to ask you folks as you probably spend more time on a tractor than I do.

Thanks, Dave

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Chas Fergie-30

01-08-2008 18:39:20

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Re: filling rear tires for weight in reply to Scott Rukke, 01-07-2008 10:55:11

Dave2 said: (quoted from post at 11:55:11 01/07/08) Hi folks,

I would like to get some weight on the back of my tractor to offset a 600+ bale of hay hanging on the front loader without taking the big concrete 3pt hitch weight I have off and on. I usually keep a container on the back this time of year for hauling manure, but between Mar and Nov I like to keep the back free for moving water tanks etc. Is there any advantage to filling my rear wheels or is it more trouble than it's worth? Figured to ask you folks as you probably spend more time on a tractor than I do.

Thanks, Dave

Hey Dave,

I just saw an ad for Les Schwab here in the central valley of California and they are advertising a Bio Tire Ballast to replace CalChl that is non corrosive and non flammable. It weighs 9.5 lbs/gal. Non toxic and biodegradable and can be used in tubed and tubeless tires. Might be worth a phone call to see what it is.
Chas

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Hugh MacKay

01-08-2008 06:16:12

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Re: filling rear tires for weight in reply to Dave2, 01-07-2008 10:55:11

Dave: Liquid filled tires probably give more benefit on a loader tractor than any other situation, with tractors hauling heavy loads on hard roads a close second.

Calcium chloride is your best option, yes it requires a bit of maintinence, mere pennies when you consider the benefit. There are a few rules with calcium chloride in tires. Never leave small leaks, fix them immediately. Fix flats immediately, and wash the rim thouroughly. About every 5-7 years change the center housing of the valve stem. It is the only metal making contact with the calcium chloride. Fix it before it leaks. Just jack the tractor with valve stem at top, remove the stem and replace it with a new one. You will need air on hand, to replace lost air.

I've seen lots of rims last 40-50 years, tires filled with chloride the whole time. One other thing, on a loader your still going to miss your counter weight.

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Steven f/AZ

01-08-2008 05:18:12

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Re: filling rear tires for weight in reply to Andy Motteberg, 01-07-2008 10:55:11

Dave2 said: (quoted from post at 05:11:55 01/08/08) It doesn't get far below freezing for very long here and environmental rules are tough (get more time for an oil spill than killing someone :) )

If I fill with plain water, the tire should expand enough if it freezes?? Or would the time that I had a block of ice (uneven)ruin my traction?

The ice will shred your inner tube and tire. The only way it would work is to not use the tractor when it is frozen.

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dave2

01-08-2008 07:08:29

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Re: filling rear tires for weight in reply to Steven f/AZ, 01-08-2008 05:18:12

Thanks! Sounds like I'll be filling them with something that doesn't freeze.

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Gus

01-08-2008 04:06:41

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Re: filling rear tires for weight in reply to Dave2, 01-07-2008 10:55:11

In our area a few years back they started using fluid made from sugar beets. Apparently doesn't freeze and enviro friendly. Mobil tire guy hauls it on his truck.

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tesmith66

01-08-2008 03:52:26

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Re: filling rear tires for weight in reply to KYLE (IL), 01-07-2008 10:55:11

old said: (quoted from post at 12:51:01 01/07/08) Fluid in the tires puts the weight right on the ground and wheel weights put it on a chosion of air which is not as good. My self I use wiper fluid in my rear tires. It not as heavy as CACL but it doesn't cause the rim problems like CACL does and its safe for animals which anti freeze isn't. Drop me an e-mail and I'll send you a page from a 1935 owners manual that show how to fill them your self and one of the ways you can do in your sleep once its set up
Hobby farm

I would like a copy of that, too. tesmith66@gtec.com

Thanks!!

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rich4

01-08-2008 03:26:13

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Re: filling rear tires for weight in reply to Dave2, 01-07-2008 10:55:11

Many people have added fluid in their tires for years, Calcium Cloride is the heaviest but some people think it is corrosive. Other people use anti-freeze or an RV anti-corrosive solution, it also adds weight cheaply to your tires. With a loader I would recommend it. You could gain up to 300lbs per wheel for a 13x28 tire. Or 100lbs per wheel for a 8x24 inch tire.

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Dave2

01-08-2008 04:11:55

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Re: filling rear tires for weight in reply to rich4, 01-08-2008 03:26:13

It doesn't get far below freezing for very long here and environmental rules are tough (get more time for an oil spill than killing someone :) )
If I fill with plain water, the tire should expand enough if it freezes?? Or would the time that I had a block of ice (uneven)ruin my traction?

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skyharborcowboy

01-07-2008 20:11:21

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Re: filling rear tires for weight in reply to Fancy Farm, 01-07-2008 10:55:11

old said: (quoted from post at 20:51:01 01/07/08)
My self I use wiper fluid in my rear tires. It not as heavy as CACL but it doesn't cause the rim problems like CACL does and its safe for animals which anti freeze isn't. Hobby farm

I believe wiper fluid has some methanol (so it doesnt freeze) in it so I am not so sure it can be considered safe for the animals.

joe

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gmd

01-07-2008 18:11:24

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Re: filling rear tires for weight in reply to Dave2, 01-07-2008 10:55:11

I have the calcium in my 706 rears. I didnt put it in there myself (previous owner did), But I do like having the traction back there. Also have 300 lb weights on each wheel. Downside is waiting to see when they wear out/rust out/just plain go bad. The thing is like a tank though.

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Hugh MacKay

01-08-2008 08:37:29

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Re: filling rear tires for weight in reply to gmd, 01-07-2008 18:11:24

gmd: The rims wont rust out if you never let the tubes or stems leak, for extended periods. If you have a leak or a flat, act on it that day, wash the rim in the process.

Valve stems are something that should be changed every 5-7 years. Jack the wheel, turn stem to the top screw out the center housing of the stem and replace it with a new one. You'll need to replace the air. If you never let those leak, leaving the rims saturated with calcium chloride for days and weeks, your rims will last 40-50 years.

I've got 3 rims, all 50 years old, the last time I put on new tires in 1996 I didn't put the chloride back These are original rims on my 53 SA and 58 - 130 and had chloride in them from the time they were new. The other SA rim was leaking around the stem when I got the tractor, had been leaking for sometime. That rim was toast 20 years ago. I didn't put the chloride back in 96, mainly because I no longer needed it.

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gmd

01-08-2008 13:19:44

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Re: filling rear tires for weight in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-08-2008 08:37:29

Thanks for the info. I appreciate it, as I think that will save me a lot of $$$ in the long run. Its the posts like this that make this place invaluable as a source of information and knowledge. Thanks again.

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Don in Texas

01-07-2008 12:04:09

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Re: filling rear tires for weight in reply to Dave2, 01-07-2008 10:55:11

I added water and two gallons of antifreeze to each rear tire about 5 years ago and not had any problems. Of course, it doesn' get too cold here in East Texas.

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old

01-07-2008 11:51:01

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Re: filling rear tires for weight in reply to Dave2, 01-07-2008 10:55:11

Fluid in the tires puts the weight right on the ground and wheel weights put it on a chosion of air which is not as good. My self I use wiper fluid in my rear tires. It not as heavy as CACL but it doesn't cause the rim problems like CACL does and its safe for animals which anti freeze isn't. Drop me an e-mail and I'll send you a page from a 1935 owners manual that show how to fill them your self and one of the ways you can do in your sleep once its set up

Hobby farm

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Dave2

01-07-2008 13:13:22

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Re: filling rear tires for weight in reply to old, 01-07-2008 11:51:01

Thanks everyone. old, the email tab doesn't work for me. You can send me anything to davnull@yahoo.com or dave.null@us.army.mil

Thanks, Dave

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old

01-07-2008 14:24:36

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Re: filling rear tires for weight in reply to Dave2, 01-07-2008 13:13:22

Just go to my web site and you can e-mail me that way. Or search the archives I posted that page on tractor talk just a couple weeks ago

Hobby farm

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Steven f/AZ

01-07-2008 11:50:04

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Re: filling rear tires for weight in reply to Dave2, 01-07-2008 10:55:11

Here's a topic on CaCl from not too long ago:

Link

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Randy in NE

01-07-2008 11:19:20

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Re: filling rear tires for weight in reply to Dave2, 01-07-2008 10:55:11

Depending on where you live you can either put the Calcium Chloride in them or if it doesn't freeze you can just put plain water in there. I know a farmer that puts water in his tires in the spring and then drains it out in the fall. This won't rust your tires as much the CaCl does. I would recommend the wheel weights approach. Two or three 150# weights on each back tire should help alot. You can even bolt them all together with 3/4" readi-rod. I know a guy that put 7 weights on each back wheel of a 1466 using 4 3/4" rods on each wheel. My brothers put a 1,000 - 1,200# weight on the inside and outside of each back wheel on a 1066. They used 4 3/4/" readi-rods. You just need to make sure that they stay tight.

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Hugh MacKay

01-08-2008 06:26:49

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Re: filling rear tires for weight in reply to Randy in NE, 01-07-2008 11:19:20

Randy: You just reinforced my argument for cutting all 100+ horsepower 2 wheel drive tractors up for scrap. Go with rubber, not weight. Weight only increases soil compaction. In 1976 I drained the calcium chloride from my 1066, replaced it with 20.8x38 duals and it actually pulled the disk and cultivator easier. Within two years I drained the chloride from 560 and 656.

Get out of the dark ages and buy more rubber to put on the ground. If you want to haul heavy loads on hard road, get a truck.

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Kristof

01-07-2008 10:58:11

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Re: filling rear tires for weight in reply to Dave2, 01-07-2008 10:55:11

Over here they used to fill their rear tires (inner-tubes)with simple rainwater, because it was much more cheaper than buying wheel weights.
I do believe you need other valves on you innertubes.
I prefer to use wheelweights, because they are much more practical. You can buy a set, or you can go thrue the trouble of making them yourself.

Kind Regards

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