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Mark W.

01-29-2008 11:01:28

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Just a thought. Does anyone else get bothered when they see a nice old tractor that has been smothered with a second rate paint job. I don't mean a factory job is necessary but the tractors w/ incorrect colors, runs, and poor prep work. Don't these iron beauties deserve more. Sometimes it is nice to see a clean old tractor in their original clothes.

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big red 1

01-30-2008 06:28:23

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Re: Fresh paint vs. old workclothes in reply to Mark W., 01-29-2008 11:01:28

Its your tractor,your money and your business.My personal opinion. If your going to do,do it right.
How many of us do a half donkeyed job overhauling an engine,balancing the check book?(even if the wife balances the check book does she nail it to the last penny?)
Just my habit and opinion
Randy In Iowa

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davejoe

01-30-2008 04:55:13

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Re: Fresh paint vs. old workclothes in reply to Mark W., 01-29-2008 11:01:28

Why in the world would you give a hoot about what someone elses tractor looks like? If I paint a Deere red, or a Farmall purple with green stripes I just cant see why that would matter to anyone. You can make yours perfect (and I love to see restored ones)but the reality is that equipment has a tough life and its hard enough to keep it all working, let alone looking pretty. Dave

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Bob Kerr

01-29-2008 23:27:30

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Re: Fresh paint vs. old workclothes in reply to Mark W., 01-29-2008 11:01:28

My M has it both ways on the same tractor. gas tank and every thing below is original paint and in suprisingly good decent shape, but some bozo past owner decided to repaint the hood and grille. He painted right over dirt and the original decals! Looks like crap, but if I repaint it it will look better than the rest of the tractor. I may just get some vinyl deacls and put them on and forgettaboutit. My H had been repainted and looks pretty decent so I have to be careful when skidding logs in the woods so I don"t scratch it up! Was lucky last summer and didn"t get but one small one that rubbed out.

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Bob Kerr

01-29-2008 23:36:28

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Re: Fresh paint vs. old workclothes in reply to Bob Kerr, 01-29-2008 23:27:30

Here is the M, but not a great shot of the paint. It acually looks better in the pic than in person.

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Ron-MO

01-29-2008 19:09:43

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Re: Fresh paint vs. old workclothes in reply to Mark W., 01-29-2008 11:01:28

Everyone has their own ideas, but I guess I enjoy using them too much, and it is very hard to work them without marring them now and then, either by accident, or by a quick fix done in a hurry when rain is threatening a field full of hay, etc. I repainted one of mine a couple years ago, and some would cringe at the job I did, but it still looks good and probably better than some I have seen in the shows. The cast parts were brushed, then rattle can to flow it out. All the sheet metal was prepped (not to perfection, but good), then rattle can sprayed. Don't get me wrong, I removed all the loose rust and scale, grease, and scaling paint before I painted. I probably have less than $100 in the whole paint job including sandpaper, and a couple of wire brushes for the 4 inch grinder. I enjoy working them, and am not afraid of scratching them, and have a can of touch up if I do. I figure this is about the way they looked when they were a year or so old, by looking at some of the old photos. They did not have high gloss paint jobs, clear coats, and most of the time the paint was faded early on in their life.

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ihc49er#2

01-29-2008 18:35:01

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Re: Fresh paint vs. old workclothes in reply to Mark W., 01-29-2008 11:01:28

just checked in again, and holy smokes mark you got things happening.i agree with your thinking and do believe that the tractor should look at least as good as it came out of factory, lots look better.myself i would even pay more for an original untouched than something thats had the 1 gal. overhaul. i leave those alone.i also have a 340 utility thats all in pieces with most of the parts painted. just need time and money to finish it. i had it stripped right down, yes i checked the clutch. it was as i said.when done you have a nice looking machine.

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CNKS

01-29-2008 17:47:32

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Re: Fresh paint vs. old workclothes in reply to Mark W., 01-29-2008 11:01:28

Either do it right or don't do it. Paint over rust won't last long, anyway. It will continue to rust under the paint. Prep work is more important than the way the paint looks. But, if you put a lot of time in the prep, you may as well give it a good paint job. I don't worry about scratching new paint. We don't have any trees out here.

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NDS

01-29-2008 17:42:40

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Re: Fresh paint vs. old workclothes in reply to Mark W., 01-29-2008 11:01:28

The other side is the tractors you see at shows with the 5XXXXX paint jobs and when they crank them up any experienced hand can see they would never last till noon out doing hard work.

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ShaggyM

01-29-2008 17:23:11

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Re: Fresh paint vs. old workclothes in reply to Mark W., 01-29-2008 11:01:28

I have a Super A that is painted and I have a B and a Super C that are not painted, I am a little more careful with the Super A but I will pull it or plow with it or what ever is need at the time. The B and the SC are a little rough around the edges but I am still a little careful with them but I don;t have to worry about chipping paint.
Shaggy

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BOBM25

01-29-2008 17:22:52

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Re: Fresh paint vs. old workclothes in reply to Mark W., 01-29-2008 11:01:28

It really depends on what you are doing. I love seeing A++++ restorations at tractor shows. There was a fellow at RPRU 2 years ago that had a collection of flawlessly restored letter series farmalls. They were really something. They looked better than a brand new automobile. I don't suppose he ever used them for anything. Thats ok. A car guy would not restore an old GTO to perfection, then drive it to work every day. He'd have another car for that. I work with some car guys who can't understand why anyone would put as much money and time into a tractor restoration as I did on my MTA. I'm not into cars. They are cool, but not as much fun as old tractors, in my opinion. I farm, I grew up around farm machinery. I like it. Sure my MTA gets used, but its on light duty. Hay rake, auger and things like that. Its unlikely it will get dinged up doing those jobs. We have everyday tractors still in their work duds for the dirty work. They are not part of my hobby, they are tools used to get the job done. I don't lose much sleep if a tree branch whacks the fender when I'm working close to the woods. I would if it was my MTA, so I keep it away from that area. If you want to repaint your working tractor, don't put a showroom paint job on it. You'll only hate yourself when something happens to it. But if you want to repaint your "play" tractor, I commend you for doing a first rate job!

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IaGary

01-29-2008 16:40:56

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Re: Fresh paint vs. old workclothes in reply to Mark W., 01-29-2008 11:01:28

It depends on what the tractor gets used for.

When I paint tractors it is to keep the thing from rusting away and to look decent from a distance.

If I were painting a show queen then I would spend more time on them to do a professional job.

My tractors will get scratched, pooped on, and dirty. So a couple of runs don't bother me.
I have never seen a run in the paint rust.

Sanded and painted this one in 2 days. The biggest reason to paint this one was to get it the same color, cause a cab came off of it. And there was very little paint left on the top of the hood.

If you don't like the job I did that's fine.

Its mine.

When you buy it you can do whatever you want with it.

Gary

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Cliff Neubauer

01-29-2008 16:20:15

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Re: Fresh paint vs. old workclothes in reply to Mark W., 01-29-2008 11:01:28

I'm a firm believer that when it comes to painting either do it right or don't do it at all but I've had to repaint tractors which had cheap paint jobs and they make it 5x as hard to do it right the second time. I've been working on painting our 826 since April of '06 and it's still not done but when it's finished it will be as close to perfect as possible.

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Randy-IA

01-29-2008 16:06:54

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Re: Fresh paint vs. old workclothes in reply to Mark W., 01-29-2008 11:01:28

Well , If the tractor isn't going to shows I don't see why it needs a good paint job . Better than factory jobs are strictly for A**l-retentive people IMO . I just don't see the point . Guess I've never seen the point in worrying about a paint job . Years of offroading in wooded areas have made me feel that way . If it can't work AND show what's the point ? But if the paint is going on it should be close to the right colors at least . I agree with Old about the twenty foot paint job . And it keeps more rust from forming . I'd rather see a OK paint job ( at least power wash it before painting it ) at a show instead of a bodyshop job . That's not what tractors are all about . JMO ...Randy

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David Goode

01-29-2008 16:05:11

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Re: Fresh paint vs. old workclothes in reply to Mark W., 01-29-2008 11:01:28

Have a friend who owns a M, he BRUSHED on a coat of paint, it looks "O,K" from 20 feet away and when I asked why he didn't take more "pride" in his work he said "I just cares that it looks good from 50 feet away, and I don't care what other people think." Sometimes you need to know the story behind the paint to respect it. -David Goode Coggon, IA

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SDSCOOTER

01-29-2008 15:38:06

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Re: Fresh paint vs. old workclothes in reply to Mark W., 01-29-2008 11:01:28

I'VE BEEN KINDA EAVEADROPPING ON THIS FORUM FOR SEVERAL MONTHS NOW. I AM FAIRLY NEW TO OWNING A TRACTOR.I BOUGHT A 1944 H WITH A MODEL 31(I THINK LOADER).THE FELLER I BOUGHT IT FROM I BELEIVE BOUGHT IT FROM HIS GRANDFATHER'S ESTATE.HIS GRANDFATHER ALWAYS BRUSHED ON A FRESH COAT OF PAINT WHENEVER HE THOUGHT IT NEEDED IT.AIN'T PURTY BUT IT SURE DID SAVE THE TIN.I REALLY LIKE READING YOUR GUYS QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.YOU'VE ALREADY COVERED A LOT OF QUESTIONS I WANTED TO ASK,AND I GOT THEM PRINTED OFF FOR NEXT SUMMER PROJECTS.THANKS TO ALL OF YOU.WILL KEEP READING THIS FORUM AND IF ICAN HELP SOMEONE I'LL TRY.SORRY IF I GOT A LITTLE LONG WINDED ON THIS MESSAGE,BUT I DO THAT ONCE IN A WHILE.THANKS SCOOTER

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Zach Bouchard

01-29-2008 14:55:32

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Re: Fresh paint vs. old workclothes in reply to Mark W., 01-29-2008 11:01:28

I would rather see a bad paint job than a rusty old tractor. At least if it is covered in paint it is covered in someting. I live in Western Washington, it doesnt take long to have a tractor get rusty beyond repair. At least thwy are protected from the elements.

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Mike CA

01-29-2008 14:28:54

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Re: Fresh paint vs. old workclothes in reply to Mark W., 01-29-2008 11:01:28

I would have to say that the middle ground bothers me a bit. I love "show" tractors. Ones that have been meticulously restored and look better than new. It's what I hope to have someday. I also love old rusty iron. "work clothes" if you will. I will just stare at a derelict on a fence row and admire it, or better yet, see one driving that looks like they just pulled it out from under a bush and got it running. What bugs me is a spray can restoration. One where little to no prep was done, but they just blasted a spray can over it to give it some color so they wouldn't lose it in the field. I guess like you, I figure the old boy deserves better.

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James Williams

01-29-2008 13:03:39

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Re: Fresh paint vs. old workclothes in reply to Mark W., 01-29-2008 11:01:28

Mark,I have a 1928 Farmall Regular that I refuse to put paint on,Its rusted and I think its beautiful,Rubber tires wernt ment to replace steel either

jimmy

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old

01-29-2008 12:42:10

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Re: Fresh paint vs. old workclothes in reply to Mark W., 01-29-2008 11:01:28

When I paint one of my tractors I do a 20 foot job. They look good unless your less then 20 feet from them and then you might see a run or some place where some of the old paint is under the new paint. I do it that way because my tractor work for a living and if I go under a tree etc and scratch the paint a little it doesn't want to make a guy cry

Hobby farm

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M Nut

01-29-2008 13:05:11

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Re: Fresh paint vs. old workclothes in reply to old, 01-29-2008 12:42:10

I agree with old. I always say my tractors look good from far but far from good. (well they do look good, just not perfect!)

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Dave H (MI)

01-29-2008 12:23:31

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Re: Fresh paint vs. old workclothes in reply to Mark W., 01-29-2008 11:01:28

Around here we prefer Farmall/IH pink for the color on our tractors but you need to consider that the original paint was not always the greatest. Sometimes the options were to rust out or glom on some paint. Some of those lousy paint jobs are saving some nice metal from the elements.

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Janicholson

01-29-2008 11:25:48

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Re: Fresh paint vs. old workclothes in reply to Mark W., 01-29-2008 11:01:28

I only dislike the decay that profound neglect or the ignorance of ignoring them. Any indication that the owner is engaged with the unit is positive. Tractors are killed, they do not die of old age. Jimn

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Red Mist

01-29-2008 17:00:41

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Re: Fresh paint vs. old workclothes in reply to Janicholson, 01-29-2008 11:25:48

Amen!

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Mark W.

01-29-2008 11:30:03

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Re: Fresh paint vs. old workclothes in reply to Janicholson, 01-29-2008 11:25:48

I like that you stated they are killed do to neglect.

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Nebraska Cowman

01-29-2008 11:09:41

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Re: Fresh paint vs. old workclothes in reply to Mark W., 01-29-2008 11:01:28

No, it does not bother me. I do enjoy seeing nice originals though.

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Mark W.

01-29-2008 11:02:32

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Re: Fresh paint vs. old workclothes in reply to Mark W., 01-29-2008 11:01:28

Sorry for the double post and grammatical errors.

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