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Speaking of Plows......

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Red Mist

02-05-2008 06:47:02




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Howdy, boys: I readily confess, beyond knowing what they are (were) used for, I know virtually nothing of plows. By the time school was out for the summer, the plowing and planting was done before I got to the farm.
So, let's take one of those little genius plows; for starters, when somebody says they have a two bottom 14" plow, what part measures 14"? Do you messure from that sharp pointed tip back along the bottom, or what?
And what is that little rope for that ties off on the back of the tractor?
And some plows have big round discs while others have the "pointed deals". What's with that?
Thanks in advance for the short course in "Plow 101". I'd like to plow up something one of these days. (Probably the water line going to the house!)
mike durhan

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Red Mist

02-05-2008 08:55:45




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 Re: Speaking of Plows...... in reply to Red Mist, 02-05-2008 06:47:02  
Thanks to all for the great answers and information. It really helps me to understand and appreciate the old equipment.
And, as for the chiding from some of you, well..... .. I deserved it and expected it. Sometimes it takes a little courage to admit you don't know anything about a subject. I felt courageous today. (LOL)
mike durhan



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Hugh MacKay

02-06-2008 09:12:48




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 Re: Speaking of Plows...... in reply to Red Mist, 02-05-2008 08:55:45  
Mike: I've done a lot of plowing, however I can't add a lot, it's all been said. Jim Nicholson said what needed to be said about you, as I see it I'll be looking for my lesson on growing oranges. This is what this forum is all about in my books, learning how folks did proceedures I'm not familiar with and how things are done in other places.

Don't pass the orange lesson off for peanuts now that you've moved slightly north. I've already had my peanut growing lesson, from Doyle Sellars in the south. I have a file full of peanut harvesters, diggers, crop growing in field, etc.

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Janicholson

02-05-2008 14:08:54




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 Re: kindness in reply to Red Mist, 02-05-2008 08:55:45  
Just because a person has experience with, lets say, growing oranges does not mean it is necessary to give them grief for not having a handle on how to run a mounted corn picker.
You are a major contributor to the psychology and technology of this forum. JimN



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LA in Wi.

02-05-2008 19:13:46




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 Re: kindness and plowing and smells and sounds in reply to Janicholson, 02-05-2008 14:08:54  
Janicholson,

Gosh, I sure hope you didn"t think I was making fun of Red Mist. It"s been so many years since farmers have plowed, I now find a whole generation of guys that have never pulled a plow. I did a lot of plowing in the 1950-1960 era, in that wonderful black soil of Iowa, and am now glad to pass on whatever help I can give. I notice that old plows are bringing more money the last couple years, and I hope that that old iron is being put to work. I have a "prettied up" H Farmall and a "prettied up" #8 Little Genius plow for parades and shows, but I get them dirty once or twice a year for plow days; it"s the sweetest sound to hear tractors work with plows. And the smell of that newly worked soil...it"s just like perfume. I am now working on getting 20 guys with old tractors and plows to plow up a storm in late April...spectators, whole families, come to watch, and a 4-H club sells the food. I can hardly wait!

Old Timer LA in WI.

PS: Red Mist, I hope you drop that plow in the ground this Spring!

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ScottyHOMEy

02-05-2008 20:41:28




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 Re: kindness and plowing and smells and sounds in reply to LA in Wi., 02-05-2008 19:13:46  
I've followed the thread with quite a bit of interest, LA, and I didn't get the impression at all that you were hammering Red City Misty. Mike's been around here long enough that he knew he was in for a ribbin' (he said as much), and I suspect he enjoyed it. That, for my money, was (and is!) no more than a friendly gig you might deliver face-to-face over a cup of coffe with him, before you got down to an excellent primer for anybody that might be thinkin' they might want to drag a plow around for awhile.

I only ever got to plow twice, but I know that perfumefrom that and from cultivatin' in some good, deep black stuff in central Ohio. Ain't the same, but it is, and there's nothin' just like it.

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GeneMO

02-05-2008 08:45:44




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 Re: Speaking of Plows...... in reply to Red Mist, 02-05-2008 06:47:02  
The others did a real good job on your "plowing 101". I can give you a little of the whys of plowing.

I grew up farming in the 60's and 70's. Really started full time after college in 1976. This was right at the beginning of "Conservation tillage" or "NO-Till". The goal is to form a good seed bed, and get fertilizer down where the roots can feed on it. Plowing, followed by disking and harrowing did this well for decades.

But moldboard plowing is slow, fuel consuming, and leaves the soil unprotected and subject to wind and water erosion. We were loosing too much top soil. Too much to be sustainable. No till farming sought ways to place the seed in a good seedbed, yet not turn over the soil. Moldboard plows almost disappeared by the 80's. Most people in areas with hills or rolling terain have terraces to control erosion, so some of those folks kept an old moldboard plow to "plow up the terraces" every two or three years.

Some disadvantages of not plowing is that residue builds up too much, insect control is more difficult as the residue provides a place for overwintering and eggs. And with no till, cultivation is difficult, if not impossible, so you substitute cultivation with herbicides, which are petroleum based and getting more expensive by the day.

I have seen a recent resurgance of moldboard plowing. I think people who have no tilled continiously for 10-15 years are deciding that an occasional polwing is beneficial, although I have not seen any research or articles to this end.

Erosion can be contolled somewhat when moldboard plowing by plowing on the conture ( not going straight up the hill as the water will go down the furrows), or by plowing in strips and leaving unplowed areas to be plowed the next year.

I never sold my plow. We bought it and the 706 new in 1968 and I just cant bear to part with it.

hope this gives a little insight into why the plow is used.


Gene

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steveormary

02-05-2008 16:31:24




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 Re: Speaking of Plows...... in reply to GeneMO, 02-05-2008 08:45:44  
Gene; Did some plowing over the years. A 706 does make a nice plow tractor. I had a 4/16 simi-mount on the fast hitch for my 706(ger) diesel. Worked good at about 4.75 mph. 4 and low.

steveormary



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LA in Wi.

02-05-2008 07:42:27




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 Re: Speaking of Plows...... in reply to Red Mist, 02-05-2008 06:47:02  
Red City Boy Misty,

The moldboard width (the width of the soil that a moldboard lifts up and turns over) is measured my placing your yardstick or tape across the plow, 90 degrees from the front to back of the plow. Each moldboard has a beam running front to back, so measure from center to center on the beams and you then know your moldboard size. A 2 bottom with 14" will turn over 28" of soil with each pass...give or take an inch or two, depending on how accurately you pull the plow as it"s right wheel runs in the furrow.

The rope: As you sit on the tractor seat, you pull on the rope and let go immediately and the plow should drop down as your tractor moves forward. Same thing to raise it...your tractor has to be moving forward. The pulling of the rope can best be called a "jerk"...you don"t keep holding it towards you. Sometimes the left wheel (the "lifting and lowering wheel) will slide along as you try to lift or lower the plow...that can be remedied by using a car tire chain or a tire with greater grip, but mostly it"s a matter of increasing or loosening the tension of the two long springs running front to back at the front part of the frame by turning the big nut on the end of the bolt in the spring.

Standing at the rear of the plow and looking to the hitch, the left lever sets the depth of the whole plow. The right lever levels the plow, and this lever needs to allow the right wheel to come up high so you can start your first pass; as the wheel comes high, the moldboard goes down so it can make that first cut since it has no furrow to follow in. After the first round, you reset the right lever to allow for the furrow depth. Try plowing first about 6-8" deep, that"s enough for you to get the hang of how it all works.

Those old moldboards are not for the speed most people want to travel today....I put my H Farmall in 2nd or 3rd and the plow turns the soil over very nicely. Too fast and you just throw soil. Plowing is an "art", not a science.

The coulters (the big disk things) should run about 1/2" away from the point on the moldboard, meaning it cuts about 1/2" more soil. Make sure the axle of the coulter runs just above the soil surface.

The hitch should be aligned depending on your tractor right wheel axle width, and that"s more than I can describe here, for now.

Just get out there, drop it in the ground, put tractor in a lower gear, throttle up, and HAVE FUN!!! That"s what plowing is, a pure joy.
Oh, and keep looking back a lot to see how things are doing.

LA in WI

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SGT K

02-05-2008 14:14:51




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 Re: Speaking of Plows...... in reply to LA in Wi., 02-05-2008 07:42:27  
Yes, I agree that it is more of an art than a science. There is also something very satisfying about plowing, almost spiritual.

(Of course, I've never had to plow a hundred acres with a two-bottom plow ;)

Paul



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MN Rick

02-05-2008 08:48:01




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 Re: Speaking of Plows...... in reply to LA in Wi., 02-05-2008 07:42:27  
Very complete and nicely written.



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CNKS

02-05-2008 07:36:42




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 Re: Speaking of Plows...... in reply to Red Mist, 02-05-2008 06:47:02  
I don't know anything about moldboards as I grew up in South Texas and we used disk plows -- we called them "breaking plows" as like the moldboard they were used to turn the soil as one of the first operations after harvest. The disk plow and moldboard do the same thing. Disk plows are used mostly in the south, I believe, as they don't work as well in wet soil as the moldboard. On the contrary, I don't think moldboards work very well in dry soil -- I have never tried it. A disk plow has less soil resistance than a moldboard because the disks turn. Because of this, as an example, an H is a two plow tractor. It will easily pull the HM 150 semi-mount with three disks, and cut the same width as the equivalent 3 botton moldboard. Disk plows are often confused with the one-ways or "tillers" as we called them. They are not the same as the disks on a one way work at less angle, thus there are more of them and the width of cut is wider than that of a disk plow, it is also operated at a shallower depth. Disk plows and moldboards are primary tillage tools, a one way is a secondary tillage tool, although in the Great Plains they were used as primary tillage tools after wheat harvest, seldom used any more. I realize this is probably more than you wanted to know.

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gene bender

02-05-2008 07:16:29




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 Re: Speaking of Plows...... in reply to Red Mist, 02-05-2008 06:47:02  
The rope was for the mechanical lift to raise and lower the plow. The round things are rolling cutters and they also were "notched" so they would cut thru the ground better. T he little triangular things are called joiners and their function was to help turn the trash under replaced in later yrs by cover boards fastened to the moldboard in different places. Easiest way to measure the width is measure from beam to beam.

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GordoSD

02-05-2008 07:01:51




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 Re: Speaking of Plows...... in reply to Red Mist, 02-05-2008 06:47:02  
I think you'd better go back to your former hanndle aka ;City Boy McCoy:) 14" would be the spacing between the points or rails of the plow.Perpendicular to longitudinal axis of the plow or tractor.

gw



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