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Gasket Rules, What are Yours?

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scott#2

02-11-2008 15:30:10




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Just curious about how everyone treats gaskets. I'm in the middle of a Ford diesel (with a jap engine, PUKE) rebuild and the gasket kit for this thing, from the dealer is over $400.00.

Im trying to get away with just buying the majors like head and oil pan, etc., and making the rest.

On head gaskets I use Permatex Hi Tack spray and on oil and water gaskets, hi temp silicone, don't use anything on cork unless it's a oil pan gasket. Cork oil pan gaskets get silicone and get tightened over a period of time as it sets to avoid "squish out". Cork valve coverg go on dry. I might use a light coat of Hi Tack on those thin oil pump cover gaskets after they've been resurfaced, just to make sure it's sealed. Nothing but oil on NPT fittings. I put very few gaskets on dry anymore, just can't seem to stand even a hint of a drop or seepage on a new engine given the time that went into it. I've never tried the lacquer sealer as I've taken a few apart with it and didn't like how it crystalizes and cracks.

The only reason I ask this question is I'm wondering what the latest gasket technology is. Just about every gasket on this engine rebuild appears to have gone on dry, but is D--- tough to get off. I know that head and exaust manifold gaskets sometimes come coated with a heat activated substance that seals up when it reaches operating temperature. On metal head gaskets, I definitly use Hi Tack. On these coated, temp activated, head gaskets, I don't know anymore. On this C-123 engine I just finished, one side said sealer and re-torue required. Is that just sealer on the one side? The other side said nothing, I sprayed both sides with Hi Tack JIC. I'm wondering if the gaskets on this Ford, although they look like plain old gasket paper material to me, might be impregnated with something I don't know about?

Any Comments?

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scott#2

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Charles Todd

02-11-2008 20:59:19




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 Re: Gasket Rules, What are Yours? in reply to scott#2, 02-11-2008 15:30:10  
Three-Bond... Made in Japan since 1955. Recommended by Okuma CNC machines and ClubCar (Ingersol Rand) vehicles. I have used it for years. Gray and runny silicone, sag-type. I can get the number. I used on the axle housings to rear-end on my Farmall 504 WITHOUT GASKETS!!! Two years and no leaks. Beat that.



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tractorsam

02-11-2008 18:21:45




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 Re: Gasket Rules, What are Yours? in reply to scott#2, 02-11-2008 15:30:10  
Apart from the usual scrupulously clean I use a very small amount of anaerobic flange sealant on everything but head gaskets. I find it's great because I've not yet had a gasket leak that I used it on and it's much easier to use than silicone. It's anaerobic so it doesn't dry until you assemble the parts, also means that any excess on the outside is easy to clean up and on the inside won't form chunks to circulate and plug up a system. Surfaces have to be really clean but it works great, only downside is it's kind of expensive. Something like $20-25 a tube at my CaseIH dealer, but a tube lasts me longer than silicone and to me it's worth it. I've also used it on the outside of seals if they don't fit as snugly as I might like. tractorsam

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RAW in IA

02-11-2008 16:52:45




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 Re: Gasket Rules, What are Yours? in reply to scott#2, 02-11-2008 15:30:10  
Amen to what ddg said. Also, most places don't recomend using silicone on gaskets. makes them apt to squish out. Just silicone alone will work for most oil and water gaskets. As far as head gaskets g I have seen guys use spray aluminum paint, spray never-sieze, and grease. Also some gaskets say to put on dry.



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Allan In NE

02-11-2008 15:43:09




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 Re: Gasket Rules, What are Yours? in reply to scott#2, 02-11-2008 15:30:10  
It's not "gasket technology", but rather a marketing strategy designed to separate you from your money.

Ever notice that the original manufactures didn’t use sealers?

When most of these old tractors were built, there was no such thing as a “gasket sealer” anyway. :>)

Allan



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ddg

02-11-2008 15:41:34




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 Re: Gasket Rules, What are Yours? in reply to scott#2, 02-11-2008 15:30:10  
A lot of people have gone to silicone in several different forms. It seems like a good sealer, but almost everyone uses too much. It squishes out, cures, then breaks off & floats around in the engine. It could easily be pumped around & wind up in those tiny little places like you don"t want plugged up.



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scott#2

02-11-2008 16:49:15




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 Re: Gasket Rules, What are Yours? in reply to ddg, 02-11-2008 15:41:34  
Yep,

You have to use silli sparingly, a little goes along way. Usually a bead 1/16" or sometimes a touch more is all thats needed.

Hey Allen, I know about the seperation process and I'm learning more each day. How bout this, Ford want's $21.68 for a 5/16 x 3/4 bolt. Now that is some serious, seperation, sir!

scott#2



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GordoSD

02-11-2008 18:42:38




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 Re: Gasket Rules, What are Yours? in reply to scott#2, 02-11-2008 16:49:15  
IH shop wants 6.00 for a extra thick manifold washer. Paid 26.00 for an H carb float. 5.00 for the little packing that goes under the load valve assembly. My next tractor will be a trailer queen. Perfect tin and paint and tires. Inside egine will be empty. likewise all the components. It won't crank, start, run. It wont have any fluids in it, No battery. Just a great looking hollow shell!

Gordo

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