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Paper vs. Steel pulley on 1941 H

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Tom Fleming

02-17-2008 17:53:01




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Can anyone tell me what the different applications or years used were for the paper flatbelt pulley vs. the steel one? Was it simply cost? More horsepower due to less weight?




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BillyinStoughton

02-18-2008 05:43:40




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 Re: Paper vs. Steel pulley on 1941 H in reply to Tom Fleming, 02-17-2008 17:53:01  
The paper ones did privide better traction, but lack of routine maintenance killed most of them. I look for steel pulleys myseld for the old H's and M's...not that they get used, but once they get a coat of paint they look good forever. Plus a Farmall just doesn't look right without a pulley on it.



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tn terry t

02-18-2008 04:08:29




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 Re: Paper vs. Steel pulley on 1941 H in reply to El Toro, 02-17-2008 17:53:01  
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tn terry t

02-17-2008 23:26:30




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 Re: Paper vs. Steel pulley on 1941 H in reply to CNKS, 02-17-2008 17:53:01  
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Tom Fleming

02-17-2008 19:29:49




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 Re: Paper vs. Steel pulley on 1941 H in reply to Tom Fleming, 02-17-2008 17:53:01  
Thanks Hugh, I am working on the restoration of the '41 H, and I wanted to get the pulley correct.

All your input makes lots of sense.

thanks again.



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D Slater

02-17-2008 19:28:39




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 Re: Paper vs. Steel pulley on 1941 H in reply to Tom Fleming, 02-17-2008 17:53:01  
From what I can find out the supplier IH was using for the paper pulleys quit making them or went out of buisness in early fifties and IH used the iron ones to make up for shortage. In the middle fifties they started getting the paper or fiber from another company and discontinued the iron ones.



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Hugh MacKay

02-18-2008 02:22:02




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 Re: Paper vs. Steel pulley on 1941 H in reply to D Slater, 02-17-2008 19:28:39  
Dave: Interesting what you say about the early supplier of paper pullies going out of business. Probably the reason why my dad couldn't get a new one with his H in 51. I know the dealer told him, if you want a paper pulley, you best keep the one you have as I can't get you a new one.

I'm surprised another company actually got in the business. Belt pullies were a dying breed in the late 50s. I know my dad wasn't near as particular in 55 with 300, it came with a steel pulley, and I sold the 300 in the 80s complete with the factory red paint on the steel pulley surface. I can't ever remember that tractor being belted up. That was the last new tractor we ever had with a belt pulley.

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D Slater

02-18-2008 10:03:59




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 Re: Paper vs. Steel pulley on 1941 H in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-18-2008 02:22:02  
Hugh I would guess like you that the demand for belt pulley was falling off by the mid fifties. We used one on a hammer mill into late sixties though. Have a couple of old IH bulletins about the pulleys if I could find them. They seem to imply that IH only used the iron pulleys because they couldn't get enough paper ones. One bulletin in 55 annouced paper pulleys back and the iron ones used when the fiber pulleys were not available would no longer be supplied, but sell iron ones already in stock until exausted. Some of the paper pulleys that came out then were made a little stronger with 8 bolt hole mounting instead of 4.

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Hugh MacKay

02-18-2008 14:52:07




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 Re: Paper vs. Steel pulley on 1941 H in reply to D Slater, 02-18-2008 10:03:59  
Dave: Around 1953 a feed mill was built about 1 mile from us. We were milking about 18-20 cows, and he would grind our grain do mixing, and the price was right so we basically retired our old grinder, bear in mind it was so old it probably was about to retire itself. My dad had done custom bench sawing of fire wood but that was dieing. We never owned a thresher, however our W4 and H both saw a lot of belt time on a neighbors thresher, but combines were moving in on that.

I can"t ever remember our 300 being belted up to anything. If dad did belt it up when I was not around, he didn"t do much. When I sold it in the 80s, face of that steel pulley was still red paint. I would judge that about par for our area. I suspect we abandoned the belt faster than a lot of areas. It wasn"t big grain country, probably 60% of the grain in that era, for dairy and beef in the area was railed in to feed mills. We did not have hogs or poultry in the immediate area.

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Hugh MacKay

02-17-2008 18:19:00




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 Re: Paper vs. Steel pulley on 1941 H in reply to Tom Fleming, 02-17-2008 17:53:01  
Tom: The paper pulley was noted for it's better belt traction. Very common up to 1950. My dad had one on a 42 W4. When he traded for an H in 51, it was supposed to have a paper pulley. The dealer told my dad if he wanted a paper pulley he best keep the one he had. Don't remember much about cost, however dad kept the paper pulley and let the new steel pulley go with the W4. I guess we could say, dad thought a 9 year old paper pulley was more valuable than a new steel pulley.

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LenND

02-17-2008 18:29:38




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 Re: Paper vs. Steel pulley on 1941 H in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-17-2008 18:19:00  
Did saving iron during WW2 have anything to do with paper ones to save iron for war?



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Hugh MacKay

02-17-2008 18:53:03




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 Re: Paper vs. Steel pulley on 1941 H in reply to LenND, 02-17-2008 18:29:38  
Len: Quite possible, I wouldn't argue that position. Here in Canada the government wouldn't even let Massey Harris or Cockshutt build a tractor during the war. Rubber tires were hard to get as well.

I've never used pullies much and not for big hp for hours on end. I worked on numerous threshing bees, and what I do remember is my dad, his generation and the generation before them comparing paper and steel pullies. They loved their paper pullies, didn't matter what make the tractor was.

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