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Super A / 3-Point Hitch Kits

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Stones Throw Fa

02-20-2008 13:09:32




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Hi all,

Still weighing our tractor options.

We"re looking for a smallish tractor for a bush hog, field cultivator / roller / disc, transplanter, etc.(3-point Implements)

We"d been considering the 8n"s / Jubilees but just today started thinking...Why aren"t we considering a Super A with a 3-Point Kit??

We currently do all our 1 row cultivating with a Super A and it wouldn"t be a bad idea to have two around in a pinch.

Anyone have experience with the 3-point hitch kits for a Super A?? Are they pretty functional?? Can you apply down pressure on an implement or will they ride up??

Any general thoughts on a Super A with a 3-point for these types of tasks??

Thanks...

Brian

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Hugh MacKay

02-20-2008 14:40:30




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 Re: Super A / 3-Point Hitch Kits in reply to Stones Throw Farmer, 02-20-2008 13:09:32  
Brian: As much as I like the sound of you, ( I design and build 3 point hitches for these little tractors) you've got one chore in there that a Super A is not very well suited for, that being transplanting. Super A are just too fast for transplanting. You'd be much better off with utility with dual range transmission. Then you have the bush hogging, SA can do it, but you will like a center line pto. Frankly I don't 8N is your tractor either, you need something like a 424, 434, etc., dual range transmission and live pto.

Then you will also be able to use just a bit larger disk and field cultivator. Take it from a guy that has a SA, 130 and 140. Sometimes I just wish I had a bit more hp, draft controlled 3 point hitch and live pto.

Yes you can exert down presure with a SA, but how much, you don't pull much with rear wheels off the ground. SA just isn't that heavy.

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Stones Throw Farmer

02-21-2008 07:22:41




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 Re: Super A / 3-Point Hitch Kits in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-20-2008 14:40:30  
The ground speed on the Super A is certainly a concern of ours. I'd heard from folks that the 8n's/etc. are a bit slower but after driving a few don't completely buy into that notion.(partially why I started thinking Super A perhaps)

I like the idea of a 434 but they seem awfully rare in our area.(Syracuse - Upstate NY)

Not having been able to look at any locally I'm also curious....how narrow can the 434 go in terms of width? We're at about 42" centers now and are considering dropping down to 36" centers this season?

I appreciate your thoughts.

Brian

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Hugh MacKay

02-21-2008 11:17:49




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 Re: Super A / 3-Point Hitch Kits in reply to Stones Throw Farmer, 02-21-2008 07:22:41  
Brian: There is a device to make a Super A go slower, it's called Hyrda Creeper Drive, quite simple actually. Tractor is equipped with a remote hydraulic control valve. That powers a hydraulic motor, coupled to the pto shaft. The tractor must be equipped with a heavy duty clutch release bearing as you must operate Hydra creeper drive with clutch pedal tied down. The hydraulic motor then powers the tractor through pto and transmission. If one can still get the release bearing from CaseIH the rest could be built from hydraulic components. I do have a bit of info on this if your interested, come back.

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SuperA-Tx

02-20-2008 15:55:23




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 Re: Super A / 3-Point Hitch Kits in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-20-2008 14:40:30  
I disagree with that remark. lol

Hugh,

When my Father started growing plants he purchased the 1948 SA and started growing roses, trees and shrubs. He and most nurserymen used a SA and a New Idea Transplanter to line the plants in the field. Did you see the New Idea Transplanter I posted last week?

When I was about 10 to 12 I was the one that got to ride on the transplanter when we put out shrubs or tree liners in the field. I thought I was in heaven, the most fun thing I ever had done. Yea, we used the SA to pull the transplanter. I know a couple of other Nursermen that still have the New Idea Transplanters but they are a thing of the past. Was my job to get off the transplanter and get more plants off the back while we were still going.

So if your wanting to space the transplants 2 to 3 feet apart I know it will work and work very good.

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Hugh MacKay

02-20-2008 16:06:27




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 Re: Super A / 3-Point Hitch Kits in reply to SuperA-Tx, 02-20-2008 15:55:23  
Randy: I'd like to see you now years later doing celery or lettuce on 12" spacing. Then we can decide who's LOL. I tried potatoes once, aiming for 12" to 15". I was a busy boy.



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SuperA-Tx

02-20-2008 16:28:29




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 Re: Super A / 3-Point Hitch Kits in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-20-2008 16:06:27  
Hugh,

Come on...Im just 50!

On the New Idea Transplanter you have two people doing the planting so that helps. But even with two people it would be a workout setting plants on 12" centers I guess.

I have two of the planters and getting close to time to useing one. My cousin has it and he is setting a few hundred tomatoe plants and I told him I had to be one of the planters. Just reliving old times I guess but I am looking forward to it.

But really the SA does do a good job on "some" transplants. My cousin has a 140 so thats what we will use.

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Hugh MacKay

02-20-2008 18:39:03




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 Re: Super A / 3-Point Hitch Kits in reply to SuperA-Tx, 02-20-2008 16:28:29  
Randy: How about driving up from Texas, dropping a few thousand gladioli bulbs for me on 6" spacing. I'd drive the tractor, but I want to see this. LOL



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LMack

02-21-2008 18:08:01




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 Re: Super A / 3-Point Hitch Kits in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-20-2008 18:39:03  
Hugh, we did use a Super A for many years to pull a transplanter and most of our neighbors did. The drill spacing was 24" (Flue cured tobacco) and it worked fine. Two people worked each row, well that is when we went to two row transplanting (we then used a 200 that would work 44" rows). Remember a very common use of the A and Super A was to cultivate tobacco and almost all tobacco farmers had at least one. I am not sure how transplanting at 12" drill spacing would work but we certainly were faster than idle speed (I was the driver).

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