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6U684

02-25-2008 18:17:01




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My 93 year old father-in-law who is not known for getting his facts mixed up or telling stories told the story of luckily getting a new H Farmall from the Lohrville, Ia IH dealer in '45 or'46 because the WWII vets all wanted M'S. He farmed one season with it and it started using a lot of oil. When he and his friend tore it down to put in an oversize kit, they found the H had NO RINGS! One season, no rings!

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trucker40

02-26-2008 11:18:19




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 Re: Ever heard of this? in reply to 6U684, 02-25-2008 18:17:01  

If you put a motor with the wrong ring gap,it maybe wont have enough compression to run.Now maybe it was missing the top ring or the oil ring,but not all the rings.If it would run without rings you probly couldnt get it to pull itself much less work it.



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Janicholson

02-26-2008 09:27:52




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 Re: Ever heard of this? in reply to 6U684, 02-25-2008 18:17:01  
1.5 to 2 thousandths, and oil film will make compression. It is not good, but that still allows it to happen. A set of rings that are entirely carboned into the groove, with nothing sticking out, and wear on the side of the piston will still run with SMOKE.
Wierd does happen:::
A fireman was moving the tanker firetruck out of the bay in a northern Indiana rural volunteer department. (making room for the womens auxillary to have a meeting) The truck was a old White six cylinder gas fueled tractor and 7500 tanker trailer.
He got in the truck and set the choke, stepped on the gas pedal, and it went to the floor. He figured the linkage came off so he started the truck anyway. It had a nice high idle and so he eased it out of the bay into the gravel drive.
He shut it off and shut the O/H door.
ANother Fireman came up about then to help with the truck because it was not running, or runable, he was going to pull it out with another truck!
He was way suprised to see the tanker outside and asked how it got there.
Well the carb had been taken off of the manifold and a red mechanics rag had been stuck down the hole tightly. The fuel line had a pencil stuck into the flair fitting. The pencil and fuel line had a seam/crack that allowed the fuel pump to pee gasoline in a tiny stream smaller than a medium paperclip wire directly on the rag.
It ran very well. Though if the pencil would have come out, it might have burned the fire department down. JimN

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Bob Kerr

02-26-2008 08:57:38




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 Re: Ever heard of this? in reply to 6U684, 02-25-2008 18:17:01  
If it was up north I bet they would have been cussing trying to start it. I have seen some things that are strange, like several 74 Olds 455 factory built engines that have high compression pistons installed on one bank and low compression pistons on the other. One of those engines ran over 300,000 miles before rebuilding and it always ran nice and smooth. We all couldn"t belive it when the heads came off and saw that!

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mkirsch

02-26-2008 04:46:15




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 Re: Ever heard of this? in reply to Hayshaker, 02-25-2008 18:17:01  
Maybe there was something wrong with the way the engine was put together and it just plain wore the rings away until there was nothing left?



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TractormanNC

02-26-2008 03:55:00




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 Re: Ever heard of this? in reply to 6U684, 02-25-2008 18:17:01  
To settle this once and for all, Someone with too much time and money on their hands needs to put one together and try it!



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MIKE FRENCH

02-25-2008 21:20:32




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 Re: Ever heard of this? in reply to 6U684, 02-25-2008 18:17:01  
Friend of mine bought a new steiger with a 903 cummins in it, it smoked bad on one side and the dealer didnt have time to look at it so they ran it till they could work on it, started good, lots of power, etc. When they tore it down one side had no rings on the pistons.



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MN Scott

02-25-2008 20:14:53




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 Re: Ever heard of this? in reply to 6U684, 02-25-2008 18:17:01  
My dad and uncle bought a 1066 new, I still have it. It was on order for over a year, built right after the big strike. When they got it it pumped oil out the exhaust. When the dealer tore it down there were no oil rings and the compression rings were installed upside down. That was the last new IH they bought.



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kippster

02-25-2008 19:53:52




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 Re: Ever heard of this? in reply to 6U684, 02-25-2008 18:17:01  
I have had wierd things like that happen too. I once tore down a briggs lawnmower engine and put it back together and fired it up, and then realized that I had left the head gasket out and the rings were still hanging above the benck on a piece of wire. Things that "can't" happen, sometimes do. After all, they said that the Titanic could NEVER sink. LOL



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Larry NCKS

02-25-2008 19:46:15




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 Stranger things have happened in reply to Andy Motteberg, 02-25-2008 18:17:01  
Even things that couldn't possibly. For instance, I once pulled the distributor cap on an 850 Ford and laid it off to the side, wires still attached, so I could crank the engine without starting it. I was sure surprised when it started up and ran, smoothly, on all four. Now explain that one. Nobody told me this story . . . I was there!!!



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Zach Bouchard

02-25-2008 19:39:22




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 Re: Ever heard of this? in reply to 6U684, 02-25-2008 18:17:01  
It had to have had some of the rings to run. Maybe it didn't have them all. Either that or he is pulling you leg.



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39 AND HOLDEN

02-25-2008 19:38:38




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 Re: Ever heard of this? in reply to 6U684, 02-25-2008 18:17:01  
I too find it hard to believe, But if you look at posting on 02-18-08 Farmall H serial/production nunbers chart. The chart shows that the plant was on stike Feb, Mar, Apr, of 1946. I know for a fact that things happen in times like that. That normally would not. They could have had White collar people assembling the units that was not complete at the time of or during the stike or scab labor. I have seen strange things happen when people are on stike.

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ihc49er#2

02-25-2008 19:01:51




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 Re: Ever heard of this? in reply to 6U684, 02-25-2008 18:17:01  
your father in law just pulled the whole sheep over your head . any mechanic knows an engine wont run without piston rings,good for a laugh from the old boy.he got you!



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scott rukke

02-25-2008 18:34:47




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 Re: Ever heard of this? in reply to 6U684, 02-25-2008 18:17:01  
I find it hard to believe. Compression issues, oil usage, piston free play in the bore all make it hard to believe it would run. The blow-by would have been extreme too. Just my 2 cents worth.



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