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Farmall A vs. Super-A, What's the Difference?

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RoseHill

02-26-2008 19:40:07




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Hello All,

I'm new at this so forgive me. I just inherited what I believe to be a 1947 Model A because of the serial number, however, I was told that it was a Super A. I know that many parts seem to be interchangable so I"m wondering ... What are the distinct differences between the A and the Super A?

I plan to restore it so I want to learn as much about it as possible.




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dej(jed)

02-27-2008 05:08:54




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 Re: Farmall A vs. Super-A, What's the Difference? in reply to RoseHill, 02-26-2008 19:40:07  
The biggest difference is the price. They are toys and not much better than a Cub.



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Hugh MacKay

02-27-2008 10:12:23




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 Re: Farmall A vs. Super-A, What's the Difference? in reply to dej(jed), 02-27-2008 05:08:54  
jed: Toy eh, We used to have dead weight tractor pulls, flat bottom stone boat. The winner was the tractor pulling the highest percentage of it's own weight. Most tractors run between 2.5 and 3 times their own weight. In our town the 3 hard tractors to beat were Super A, H and Cockshutt 30. We've seen some guys show up with Super Ms 6 cylinder Cockshutts and Olivers loaded to the limit with weight, only to leave quite rejected. to see the SA place 1st, 2nd or 3rd with the H and 30 filling the other places. Even when they didn't add the weight, results were no different.

SA is twice the hp of a Cub.

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LenNH

02-27-2008 08:43:41




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 Re: Farmall A vs. Super-A, What's the Difference? in reply to dej(jed), 02-27-2008 05:08:54  
I don't have all the info at hand about the difference between these tractors, but this I can say, from considerable experience with both an A and a B: They are not toys. The A has an engine that is exactly the same size, and runs at the same rpm as the F-12. It will pull about the same load (2 12" plow bottoms in second gear, and a 7' double-disk harrow, also in second; they were not designed for this load, and that is maximum, but they will just handle it). The A was designed for one-row cultivation. I never quite understood why anyone would want to cultivate one row if they could do two just as easily, but I guess there must have been a market for that. Both the A and B were delights to drive: easy steering, fantastic visibility, a comfortable seat, a nice platform, very accessible and well-placed controls, a nice quiet exhaust if you opted for a muffler. Any of these models will handle a 7-foot sickle-bar mower and do all kinds of lighter chores around the farm at minimum expense: raking hay, pulling loaded wagons to and from the field, mowing, spreading manure, planting, cultivating. IHC sales brochures of the day stress that these tractors were intended for very small farms and that they would do ALL the work that previously was given to horses. I seem to remember also that the sales pitch included the idea that the small tractors could supplement a larger tractor for the lighter work. A relative of mine did all his farming with an F-20, and I can tell you from a lot of experience with his tractor on my father's farm, it was mighty heavy and clumsy as a "chore tractor." The relative bought a B (two-row cultivators) to do the lighter work and was delighted with it. I used to drive it from time to time, and I found it a very nice little machine.

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Hugh MacKay

02-27-2008 02:28:34




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 Re: Farmall A vs. Super-A, What's the Difference? in reply to RoseHill, 02-26-2008 19:40:07  
Rose: The serial number split is 250000, before being A, after being Super A. The Super A has factory touch contriol hydraulics, however there were a few A produced with hydraulics in late 47. I have seen one, but only the one that was authentic in my 65 years. The A has a 10" long Farmall badge at top of grill, whereas the SA has an IH badge top and center of grill.



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SteveNH

02-26-2008 19:53:04




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 Re: Farmall A vs. Super-A, What's the Difference? in reply to RoseHill, 02-26-2008 19:40:07  
The hydraulic unit is under the gas tank. If you have one there it is a super A, if not then it is just an A.



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Bob

02-26-2008 19:46:04




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 Re: Farmall A vs. Super-A, What's the Difference? in reply to RoseHill, 02-26-2008 19:40:07  
For one thing, the Super A engine had a provision for in the block for a hydraulic pump to be installed, driven off of the timging gear, to power the Hydraulic Touch Control lift.



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HENRY E NC

02-26-2008 20:23:56




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 Re: Farmall A vs. Super-A, What's the Difference? in reply to Bob, 02-26-2008 19:46:04  
I believe that most 47 Super A's had a carter Carb. I have a 41 A with a 47 Super A emgine(BY the Serial numbers at least) with a carter carb. Henry



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