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Super A Finally!

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nvfarmer

02-29-2008 14:56:21




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I have a small vegetable farm in WA. Been expanding slowly over 5 yrs. Last year 5 acres, this year 8-9 acres. I just yesterday picked up a Super A with cultivators. Front cultivators have two shovels on each side and the inside has hilling discs. What is a common way to set the cultivators for weeding crops such as lettuce, carrots, beets, etc. In the past I have always done rows about 30" apart. With the Super A can I effectively cultivate around two rows? I made a pass with it today in unplanted ground and it looked feasible, but I'm not sure. Thanks in advance!

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Hugh MacKay

03-01-2008 03:39:18




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 Re: Super A Finally! in reply to nvfarmer, 02-29-2008 14:56:21  
Josh: Back when these trsctors were built, they called them a one row machine, however a lot of cultural practices have changed since then.

I personally use two cultivators; one the traditional 1 row cultivator, where row spacing or bed is same width as tractor. I use this for high bushy crops that require a lot of space, and to take advantage on SA highest clearence right down the middle. That one is often used with wheel tread settings of 48" or 52".

My second cultivator is a tool bar type cultivator, with center and rear mount tool bars. I have used this one with wheel tread set as wide as 68", giving me 4 - 15" rows, with wider spacing for wheel tracks. As Jim Becker points out the planting device, whether seeder or transplanter must plant the same 4 rows on 15" centers. More common I have used 60" wheel tread doing 2 - 30" rows or 3 - 20" rows, ie corn in 30" rows and items like beets, carrots, etc in 20" rows. I must admit I liked the 60" wheel tread and 20" - 30" row option better than 68" tread.

I have always used two tractors, and what I liked best was my Super A set on 52" wheel tread and my 130 on 60" wheel tread. This gave me several planting options, by moving my cultivators from one tractor to another. With the Super A, I could do 52" single rows, beds close to 30" wide and 2 -26" rows. Then my 130 gave me the option of 60" or wider single rows for pumpkin, 4' wide beds, 2 -30" rows or 3 - 20" rows. Doesn't matter what you grow, as I see it the main goal is get a complete crop canopy everywhere except tractor wheel tracks. With that approach, the crop very quickly controls a lot of weeds.

I have also changed a bit in the past few years. I no longer grow vegetables commercially. I do grow flowers to sell. In this northern climate I try to not do any spring tillage. I completely prepare my seed bed in Oct., fertilize quite heavily, let the weeds grow and if old man winter doesn't get them, I assist with a bit of roundup. The goal here is to create an enviorment so every weed seed in top 3" will germinate in the fall. In spring my planting is a no till operation. Spring tillage will only bring other weed seeds close enough to surface for germination. Don't disturb the soil and you will have very few weeds. Some years this works better than others. I have gone through growing season without using my row crop cultivators and precious little hand weeding.

Mixed vegetables operations do not lend themselves very well to chemical weed control. Hand weeding will soon eat up profits. Bear in mind my planting today are a family vegetable garden and about 1/2 acre of marketable flowers. I use 3 - 3/4 acre plots. first one is my current crop, second is summer fallow and third plot is plowdown buckwheat and next years crop. The weeds my buckwheat don't get my fall tillage and germination will.

If your interested send me an e mail I do have some photos scanned of my tool bar cultivator. Bear in mind, my cultivators don't look much like what IH built 50 years ago. Most of my ground working tools have been converted to modern day S tines. Those IH ground working tools are much too costly to on annual upkeep.

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nvfarmer

03-01-2008 10:11:37




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 Re: Super A Finally! in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-01-2008 03:39:18  
Thanks very much Hugh. Before I purchased the Super A I was planning on using a 3 pt. cultivator for my Ferguson 35 with 34" row spacing and 68" wheel spacing. I plant with an Earthway seeder and stringlines.

With larger and/or spreading crops like summer and winter squash I plant on 7 ft. centers. I have a Ford 2n with a Howard tiller mounted that I'll just make a pass back and forth through the rows just before the plants spread or get too big. It worked well last year.

I too grow about an acre of flowers. I try and focus on easy stuff that grows fast ie. zinnia, sunflowers, dahlias, liatris, amaranthus, bells of Ireland, cornflower.

I like your idea of the 52" tread with 26" rows. I assume that two rows are being tended to under the tractor? I'll send you an email to get some pics of your setup.

This is really helpful. Thanks very much!

Josh

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Andy Motteberg

02-29-2008 20:46:34




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 Re: Super A Finally! in reply to nvfarmer, 02-29-2008 14:56:21  
Congrats on the new Super A! Please post some pictures if possible.

Andy.



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Jim Becker

02-29-2008 20:21:18




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 Re: Super A Finally! in reply to nvfarmer, 02-29-2008 14:56:21  
Generally you only cultivate at one time what was planted at one time. If you plant single rows and try to cultivate two, you will have one row by the time you are done.



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gene bender

02-29-2008 18:29:43




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 Re: Super A Finally! in reply to nvfarmer, 02-29-2008 14:56:21  
If you are going into the veggie field you need the veggie cult. There is a bunch of tooling that was avail for these cults shovels and so forth. You aparently realy dont have a good idea what you want to do. The tractor you have can do many things how are you going to prepare the soil and what crops do you plan to use then go from there.



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nvfarmer

02-29-2008 21:15:29




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 Re: Super A Finally! in reply to gene bender, 02-29-2008 18:29:43  
In the past I've had my rows at 30" or so and have run a Troybuilt down each row. Very time consuming! If cultivating two rows is not feasible, then what spacing is necessary for effective cultivation? Are growing in beds the answer? To me it seems that would defeat the purpose of mechanical weeding. I direct seed most everything except brassicas and the first couple plantings of lettuce.

I plant with a stringline which gets everything pretty organized looking. No curves in the rows. If there is a row inside each tire and they're straight and I drive straight it seems like it would work, in theory.

Maybe it just "looks good on paper". I don't know. I appreciate everyone's input on this topic. I'll post pictures of the tractor either tomorrow or Sunday.

Josh

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CNKS

02-29-2008 18:10:35




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 Re: Super A Finally! in reply to nvfarmer, 02-29-2008 14:56:21  
Which type of cultivator do you have? Vegetable cultivators don't go by the number of rows. They usually have a bar that you can slide the shanks on for any row width. There really is no fixed way to set the cultivators -- you adapt the shanks and shovels, etc to whatever you want to do. My dad was a vegetable farmer, cultivated with H's and B's. Carrots and beets were planted in 20 inch rows, beets sometimes in 40 inch beds with 2 rows on the beds -- I never cultivated lettuce. Carrots were typically cultivated with chisel type sweeps, mainly to loosen the soil so that they would grow deeper. Weeds were not an issue in carrots because they were a fall grown crop in S Texas. Some crops were close cultivated with swept back knives on each side of the row, leaving as narrow a strip as the operator could handle. The hilling disks you refer to can subsitute for the knives I mentioned. They are set so that the soil is thrown out, not it. Otherwise you will bury small plants. They could be used turned in on some tall growing crops, I suppose. There is no official way.

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nvfarmer

02-29-2008 18:36:35




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 Re: Super A Finally! in reply to CNKS, 02-29-2008 18:10:35  
The cultivator is the standard Super A cultivator. I don't know what the model number is. It seems to me there can be two rows under the tractor, say 30" apart from each other. I usually plant in "beds" meaning two rows of lettuce about 4" apart, 6 rows of carrots abound 1" apart, and beets usually 2 rows 3" apart. I am wondering if the shanks/shovels are placed in the correct fashion to miss the crops, could they be cultivated effectively on 30" or 34" centers with two beds being weeded under the tractor? The tractor I bought was previously used to cultivate strawberries and it appears that two rows were being weeded in one pass.

Thanks,

Josh

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Zach Bouchard

02-29-2008 15:29:43




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 Re: Super A Finally! in reply to nvfarmer, 02-29-2008 14:56:21  
Where are you in Washington? Just wondering.



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nvfarmer

02-29-2008 16:05:43




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 Re: Super A Finally! in reply to Zach Bouchard, 02-29-2008 15:29:43  
I'm out in Adna, just west of Chehalis.



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Zach Bouchard

03-03-2008 08:44:17




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 Re: Super A Finally! in reply to nvfarmer, 02-29-2008 16:05:43  
I'm in Bellingham. 1 and a half hours north of seattle.



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