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Plasma cutter vs. oxy-actylene

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bc

03-06-2008 18:32:49




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Hi, I just returned my borrowed oxy-acetylene set of bottles. Guess I need to spring for my own. Around here they get about $500-600 for a 10 year lease with refills and want it all up front. Ebay had some new bottles but I think my local gas company charges extra to bottle trade-ins. I have a metal band saw for some metal cutting.

I just picked up some metal for my front forks project and they used a plasma cutter. Guy says they are the best thing for slicing bread.

I priced some smaller 40 & 50 amp plasma cutters on ebay that are in the same price range as the bottles. One also included a tig welder with it.

I don't do that much and whatever I get won't be used too much. A guy says the plasma doesn't leave the slag, makes a smoother cut, and you don't have to hardly grind on it. The other factor is that it has to be around an electrical plugin along with an air compressor. The only other thing I have used the torch for is to heat up something to break it loose. Will a plasma do the same thing without cutting? I learned to braze with a torch but doubt I would ever do it much and I don't know if you can braze with a plasma, can you?

I have a small mig wire welder to do any light welding that I plan to do. It doesn't have a gas bottle.

What do you guys think? I know a guy who just bought his wife a new plasma cutter for a Christmas. He is really proud of her Christmas present!! Don't know what she got him.

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ronnie woodruff

03-08-2008 09:59:41




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 Re: Plasma cutter vs. oxy-actylene in reply to bc, 03-06-2008 18:32:49  
I run a maint department we have both and i use a torch at home propane is cheeper than acct. b ut u loose alot of heat . Plazma cutters are great on new steal but ols rusty can be a problem at times. I own a set of bottels for my torch and do a exchange at the local napa store.
or through my supplier at work wich is lin weld.
talking with the sales man they would rather sale u a set of bottels then rent anymore. check around with thelocalwelding shops also.

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ronnie woodruff

03-08-2008 09:59:40




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 Re: Plasma cutter vs. oxy-actylene in reply to bc, 03-06-2008 18:32:49  
I run a maint department we have both and i use a torch at home propane is cheeper than acct. b ut u loose alot of heat . Plazma cutters are great on new steal but ols rusty can be a problem at times. I own a set of bottels for my torch and do a exchange at the local napa store.
or through my supplier at work wich is lin weld.
talking with the sales man they would rather sale u a set of bottels then rent anymore. check around with thelocalwelding shops also.

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ronnie woodruff

03-08-2008 09:59:39




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 Re: Plasma cutter vs. oxy-actylene in reply to bc, 03-06-2008 18:32:49  
I run a maint department we have both and i use a torch at home propane is cheeper than acct. b ut u loose alot of heat . Plazma cutters are great on new steal but ols rusty can be a problem at times. I own a set of bottels for my torch and do a exchange at the local napa store.
or through my supplier at work wich is lin weld.
talking with the sales man they would rather sale u a set of bottels then rent anymore. check around with thelocalwelding shops also.

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Kevin Wieber

03-07-2008 13:40:20




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 Re: Plasma cutter vs. oxy-actylene in reply to bc, 03-06-2008 18:32:49  
Only buy plassma if plan to cut. They work great for stainless,aluminum, and rusty metal. But cant eld or heat with them. Tourch is proublly better bet, little more expsive but more uses.



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bc

03-07-2008 07:33:44




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 Re: Plasma cutter vs. oxy-actylene in reply to bc, 03-06-2008 18:32:49  
I just checked on the prices. $368 to $500 for 10 yr lease depending upon the size plus the cost of fillups. I already have the regs, hose, and torch.

When asked about buying cylinders somewhere to swap out, they give me the dodge and said most companies have their own cylinders and some of them they don't take. They specifically said they don't take the ones that can be rented from TSC.

The biggest cylinders they sell are a 40 cft oxy and the corresponding size (prob a 20 cft) acty for about $190 plus refills. Then they just swap them out for refilling. That may work for now for what I want to do. Ebay sells an 80 cft oxy for $145 with free shipping but then I would run the risk they don't swap that brand. I know for liability reasons they only want to mess with the heavy duty ones.

This weekend I'm going to try out my little 90 amp MIG welder. I'm going to see how it does with the flux core wire. They sell the 20 cft argon bottles for $65 plus $18 for the refill. I've heard different stuff on what works best (solid wire with gas vs. the flux core) but I'll just have to try on my own to see what kind of beads I can make.

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Paul in MN

03-07-2008 12:00:46




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 Re: Plasma cutter vs. oxy-actylene in reply to bc, 03-07-2008 07:33:44  
BC

If you want the best bang for the buck, use your torch set with a BBQ size LP tank, and an oxygen bottle of your choice. You can heat, braze, and cut, but not weld, as there is just not quite enough heat to weld.

I use a standard BBQ LP tank, and an oxygen bottle that is about 4 ft tall. The LP gas will outlast the oxygen. I refill both about once /year, more often if I am cutting up a machine for the scrap yard. I have used this combo since 1970 and find it a satisfactory compromise. I do have a MIG and DC stick machine and have never been good at Oxy-Acetylene welding, so the welding part has never been an issue for me. I did buy a good size plasma cutter about 6 years ago and love what I can do with it, but if you are looking for as much versatility as you can get for low $$, then the LP-Oxy is your best bet.

As to the choice of MIG, I will not use the flux core wire. It makes an ugly dirty weld and costs more than solid wire, and much more frequently becomes "bird-nested" by the wire drive system and becomes a source of future rust on your welded product. If you can pop for the machine with the gas solenoid and an Argon bottle, you will be proud of what you can do with it and have far fewer problems.

Good Luck in your choices.

Paul in MN

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bc

03-07-2008 20:14:00




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 Re: Plasma cutter vs. oxy-actylene in reply to Paul in MN, 03-07-2008 12:00:46  
Paul, do you use the acetylene regulator and hose with the LP? I suppose you have to have an adaptor to go from and LP tank to the acetylene regulator. What kind of psi do you set for LP gas? Does it use the standard tips. Thanks. I'll probably go ahead and buy the smaller oxy/acet cylinders for a couple hundred but I know there are some that use propane.



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r4etired

03-07-2008 07:05:16




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 Re: Plasma cutter vs. oxy-actylene in reply to bc, 03-06-2008 18:32:49  
I find I use my Dewalt chop saw way more than I use anthing else. Get one with a 14in blade and it will cut most things you normally cut. The bad thing is they leave a razor sharp edge on the bottom of the cut, so a small angle grinder is a necessity.



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mkirsch

03-07-2008 06:09:36




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 Re: Plasma cutter vs. oxy-actylene in reply to Re: 460 is a knocking..., 03-06-2008 18:32:49  
Watch your local craigslist in the tools section. People frequently sell oxyacetylene outfits with tanks at a fraction of the price of new.
Just watch yourself. I bought a small set, the owner lit them up for me and I thought everything was good. Unfortunately, the oxygen bottle was empty and the oxygen regulator leaked.
There are two welding shops in my area. First one refills your bottles, the other one swaps them out.

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CobraJay

03-07-2008 05:35:13




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 Re: Plasma cutter vs. oxy-actylene in reply to bc, 03-06-2008 18:32:49  
If you buy your own bottles you don't have to trade them in. All you have to do is take them to your local welding supply and get them filled. At least that is how they do it here in North Carolina. That way you don't have to worry about renting or a lease.



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El Toro

03-07-2008 04:03:24




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 Re: Plasma cutter vs. oxy-actylene in reply to bc, 03-06-2008 18:32:49  
Its good on stainless too. Hal



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gene bender

03-07-2008 02:48:42




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 Re: Plasma cutter vs. oxy-actylene in reply to bc, 03-06-2008 18:32:49  
If you decide to go with a PLASMA be sure to get one that will cut the thickness that you plan on cutting. So you need to know the capicity of the unit. They do not heat braze or anything other than cut.



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K.B.-826

03-06-2008 21:27:35




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 Re: Plasma cutter vs. oxy-actylene in reply to bc, 03-06-2008 18:32:49  
Plasma is the way to go if you're just going to be cutting sheetmetal, tubing, or the like. It's easy to control and cuts very clean. It is not capable of welding, brazing, or heating, and does not work as well as a torch for cutting bearings off of shafts.



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Scott Rukke

03-06-2008 20:36:02




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 Re: Plasma cutter vs. oxy-actylene in reply to bc, 03-06-2008 18:32:49  
If you're only going to cut, the plasma cutter is the way to go. The oxy-acetylene setup also has other purposes such as welding, brazing and cutting. They're great for welding thinner metal and sheet metal. More versatile than a plasma cutter. Myself I do a fair amount of brazing and exhaust welding so I use my OA setup quite a bit.



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Peculiar Farmer

03-06-2008 19:50:36




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 Re: Plasma cutter vs. oxy-actylene in reply to bc, 03-06-2008 18:32:49  
I have a small one of each. Bought a 115v self contained Turbo Torch plasma cutter that will cut up to 1/8" steel and have cut 3/16 with it but that is maxing it out. My cutting torch kit uses the "MC" acetalyne tank that is about 12" tall. I got them at a refrigeration supply house and there is like a $75 deposit on the bottles and no time limit. The kit without the bottles ar around $300 with all the tips. Google United Refrigeration or Johnstone Supply for starters. It"s great for the small jobs I do, wouldn"t want to fly into cutting apart a railroad car very far from town!

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