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Cranking a F-20

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Va Gasman

03-23-2008 10:30:09




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Yesterday I became the proud owner of a 36 F-20.
The seller started it on the second spin . He said to not adjust the advance. What position should the advance be in to crank? Also what is the method to kill the engine? More questions to come.
thanks, Randy




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LenNH

03-25-2008 11:33:58




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 Re: Cranking a F-20 in reply to Va Gasman, 03-23-2008 10:30:09  
Lots of people in the "old days" got their arms broken by spinning the crank (the engine would kick back while they were pushing down). If the spark was retarded AND the impulse was working right, you SHOULDN'T get a kick back, but the impulse COULD fail to engage and then she goes backward---all 55 inches per cylinder--almost as much as a whole four-cylinder engine on some small cars. The impulse is supposed to give you enough spark to make the engine start without spinning. What will make everything work right is to have good clean points, a good condenser, AND a strong magnet (they do get weak over time). The spark lever was originally intended for use with the heavy fuels (kerosene or distillate). They knocked easily. If the driver heard knocking, he retarded the spark until the knocking stopped. Some of the early models (10-20, I think, and 15-30 for sure) had a separate water tank that allowed enough water into the intake to stop the knocking. Before automatic spark-advance, cars had "spark levers," too. The Ford A had manual spark advance/retard until 1931, long after other
makers had gone to automatic. This lever was used for starting the engine (retard to protect the starter drive) and in case it began to knock under heavy load. The driver could adjust for best power depending on the engine speed, too. Fun, if you happen to like telling your engine what to do. I did. My father's '32 Chevvy truck had a spark control, also, but it was just a little knob like the throttle that you could pull out if you had to crank it. It wasn't meant to be used on the road, because by this time, Chevrolet had an automatic (centrifugal) spark advance. I always used this knob just to protect the starter. The Bendix drive had a spring that was easy to break if the engine kicked back. No spring, no starter.

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Farmallb

03-24-2008 19:34:24




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 Re: Cranking a F-20 in reply to Va Gasman, 03-23-2008 10:30:09  
I have farmed with 4 F-20s, and 2 F-30s. When I wanted to kill it, I just pushed the gas lever all the way forward. If that didnt kill it, which it usually did,, Then when I got off, I choked it and it stopped. This, in a way was good, as it gaqve the tractor a bit more time to be idleing before stopping. I used to be able sdpin the crank around and round till it started. Now, for the last 20 yrs or so, just put it at around 1 00, and shove downward, BUT, when I arrive at the bottom, I am subconciously pulling the crank back out. I kep the mag in good shape, and I have NEVER had a crank spin backwards since I was 19

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Pete in Holland, MI

03-24-2008 14:26:48




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 Re: Cranking a F-20 in reply to Va Gasman, 03-23-2008 10:30:09  
Peavy - - - pushing the lever (talking the die-cast cap on the mag itself) all the way down advances the spark fully. All the way up is off, and down about a 1/4 inch should be all you need to start the tractor with little chance of the crank kicking you.



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James Williams

03-23-2008 19:27:04




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 Re: Cranking a F-20 in reply to Va Gasman, 03-23-2008 10:30:09  
VA,you must learn your tractor,if the mag is set right you move your advance just barley off of the off position,this will allow it to fire just pass TDC and will keep it from kicking back.Crank by pulling up on the handle,and keep your thumb from around the crank handle.If you crank the motor and dont hear the Mag click leave it alone and find someone that can help you.Once it starts advance the mag down untill It runs the best.

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Peavy Tx

03-23-2008 15:52:56




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 Re: Cranking a F-20 in reply to Va Gasman, 03-23-2008 10:30:09  
Spark lever should be down to start.You should kill the engine by shuting off the gas. But you can kill it by moving the spark lever up if you need to kill it quick. Remember your choke and throttle settings each time you start it until you find out what it likes. I have 3 and they all need different settings to start. And sometimes they don't want to start no matter what you do. Have fun they are great tractors. Peavy

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F-Dean

03-23-2008 15:21:04




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 Re: Cranking a F-20 in reply to Va Gasman, 03-23-2008 10:30:09  
As my Dad told me a thousand times, be sure to put your thumb back -- not wrapped around the crank



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RAW in IA

03-23-2008 11:23:27




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 Re: Cranking a F-20 in reply to Va Gasman, 03-23-2008 10:30:09  
If it is working right you don't spin the crank. Start with it atothe bottom of th arc and pull up slow. It should start wwhen the impulse clicks. We usually choked it for the first pull, then push the choke off and it should take off. If it doesn't die when retarding the spark lever completely, some mags have a flat spring son the side you push against the case to kill it.



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the Unforgiven

03-23-2008 11:06:41




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 Re: Cranking a F-20 in reply to Va Gasman, 03-23-2008 10:30:09  
If it is working right the engines dies when you fully retard the spark. I advance it a very small amount from full retard to start them and advance about halfway for fooling around purposes, full advance is for running loaded at rated speed. I generally shut off the fuel and walk away to kill it.



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