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oil gauge fittings (with pics)

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Mike CA

04-11-2008 15:54:25




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Here is what my fittings look like. That fairing second in looks like it broke off from the end of the line. But it also fits sort of snug right over the end of that line, so I'm not sure.
If I tighten them all together they seem to still turn over the line, which makes me think it might leak oil, even though it didn't leak before.

So what is it supposed to look like, or how is it supposed to go together?

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GordoSD

04-12-2008 07:51:35




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 Re: oil gauge fittings (with pics) in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2008 15:54:25  
Don't make it so complicated. Just cut off 1/2 inch with a cutter, get a new ferrule at any parts or hardware store, Ace even has them, some tape for the fitting that threads onto the gage, and your done for 20 years!

Gordo



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Mike CA

04-11-2008 19:41:45




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 Re: oil gauge fittings (with pics) in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2008 15:54:25  
My friend probably has it, since he built my new copper gas lines. Heck, he may just say it's easier to replace the whole thing. We'll see.



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Mike CA

04-11-2008 18:55:40




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 Re: oil gauge fittings (with pics) in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2008 15:54:25  

ScottyHOMEy said: My two cents?

If you can trim that goobered up end off, I'd say try what you have now before you go to trying to replace the whole line.

You should have enough flex in the line to be able to clean up the end and reuse the whole thing instead of replacing it.


ok, what should the end of the line look like?
I have two cutting options: Dykes, and small hacksaw. I think the dykes would be a bad choice because it will pinch the end closed. So, hacksaw?

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ScottyHOMEy

04-11-2008 19:30:54




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 Re: oil gauge fittings (with pics) in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2008 18:55:40  
You're right. No dykes. A hacksaw is a poor idea too. You'd likely need a fine file to clean up the outside, a reamer to clean up the inside edge and have to remove the whole line to flush and blow out the filings.

What you need is a tubing cutter. You should be able to get the one you need at any good hardware, or even at Home Depot or Lowe's.

The big ones look like a C-clamp, with a couple of rollers on the fixed end that cradle one side of the tube, and a rolling cutting wheel on the threaded end that tightens against the side opposite the rollers. That gives you three points -- two rollers and a rolling cutting wheel -- to support and keep things in line. You thread the wheel so it just bites into the tube, give the whole thing a couple of turns around the tube, thread the cutting wheel in a little more, turn it a couple more times . . . Your first turns will score in just a shallow notch, but as you thread the cutting wheel in deeper the notch gets deeper and eventually cuts through.

Better for the small tube on this job, and for no more than you'd use it, they make a much smaller one that you could hide in your closed fist. Instead of looking so much like a C-clamp, it looks more like a small c-shaped cube, with a knob on the one side to thread in the cutting wheel. Works just the same as the big ones, and can be had for under or about ten bucks.

It avoids the need for other tools to clean up the cut and the pressure from the cutting wheel leaves just the slightest indentation on the end of the cut to make it easier to get the pieces of your compression fitting over the end of the line.

The link is to the assortment of such things at Sears, to improve on my questionable description of the gadget, and to give you an idea of the range of what's available.

It's the way to go.

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Mike CA

04-11-2008 18:32:58




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 Re: oil gauge fittings (with pics) in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2008 15:54:25  

GordoSD said: Can't you get some of the AMH guys to help you out?


I'm not with a squadron right now, so I don't know any AM's I can hornswaggle into a deal.
And by the way, they combined AMS and AMH into AM. But we still have AME. :lol:



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Mike CA

04-11-2008 18:31:17




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 Re: oil gauge fittings (with pics) in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2008 15:54:25  
Ok, let me ask you guys this. Do you think what I have right now will go back together well enough with some teflon tape and elbow grease to get me by until I can replace the entire line? I think my friend will have some new copper line we can replace the whole deal with, but in order to do that I think we'll have to pull the entire filter assembly off, because it's completely in the way of the lower elbow fitting where it comes out of the oil gallery on the block.

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ScottyHOMEy

04-11-2008 18:50:28




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 Re: oil gauge fittings (with pics) in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2008 18:31:17  
My two cents?

If you can trim that goobered up end off, I'd say try what you have now before you go to trying to replace the whole line.

You should have enough flex in the line to be able to clean up the end and reuse the whole thing instead of replacing it.



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GordoSD

04-11-2008 18:11:56




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 Re: oil gauge fittings (with pics) in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2008 15:54:25  
Mike, See the end of that pipe and the taper there? That was caused by the broken compression flare ferrule. The pipe was compressed instead of the ferrule. You need to cut it off with a tubing cutter. Also see no evidence of teflon tape or plumbers joint compound. It's nice to have a set of tubing wrenches to work on these also. See if your mechanic pal has them. Can't you get some of the AMH guys to help you out? I was a PILOT and I was always down in the shops doing some sort of cumshaw and bartering!

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El Toro

04-11-2008 16:30:12




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 Re: oil gauge fittings (with pics) in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2008 15:54:25  
The hex pipe coupling by your little finger should be threaded on the oil gauge. You may want to use teflon tape or pipe dope on the male pipe threads on the gauge and then tighten.

Slide the hex tube nut near your thumb onto the tubing. Then install the furrule with taper toward the tube fitting in the coupling. Then tighten. Hal
PS: You probably should put teflon tape or pipe dope on the pipe threads of the tube fitting that's screwed into the coupling.

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Janicholson

04-11-2008 16:26:52




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 Re: oil gauge fittings (with pics) in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2008 15:54:25  
The ferrule (second in) needs to be replaced. It should be tapered on both tube, and fitting ends. The tube should go through the fitting (about 1/8"). Put the left compression nut on the line first. Then the Ferrule (on past the end as above), the stick it in the right hand components(which should be screwed on the gauge already). Hold the tube into the fitting while tightenein the compression nut to assure it stays on far enough. It should tighten well. Before doing any of this, be sure the gauge works.Putting air pressure on it from a regulated source is best. 1/2 scale should be about 40PSI.. If the tractor still does not move the gauge, do not operate it till the issue is fixed..... .. JimN

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ScottyHOMEy

04-11-2008 16:34:41




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 Re: oil gauge fittings (with pics) in reply to Janicholson, 04-11-2008 16:26:52  
All the advice is good. You should replace the ferrule (or buy a whole new fitting --take it with you -- jsut to get the new ferrule) and if the end of the tube in the picture is too goobered up to slide the ferrule over it, you might need to take a tube cutter to take a little off to make a clean end to work with.



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Yugrotcart

04-11-2008 16:21:36




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 Re: oil gauge fittings (with pics) in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2008 15:54:25  
Put the piece on the left on the line first, next the olive with the small end towards the gauge, then the last fitting. Finger tighten it all onto the gauge, then use wrenches to tighten it up.
That what it looks like to me.

Paul



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