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Zach Bouchard

04-12-2008 17:13:39




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What parts do I need to make this needle stop leaking. What is the part number from CIH? Do I have to get it from case IH or can I get the seat at an auto parts store?




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Red Mist

04-13-2008 18:57:01




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 Re: M carb leak in reply to Zach Bouchard, 04-12-2008 17:13:39  
Zach: M's did not come with them and you do not need springs, washers nor an o-ring if you have the correct idle adjusting screw, packing nut and packing. Brent was kind enough to provide you with the part numbers for the only parts you need.
According to the M manual an initial setting of 3 to 5 turns open should get you started up. mike



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Brent R. Weaver

04-13-2008 06:15:50




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 Re: M carb leak in reply to Zach Bouchard, 04-12-2008 17:13:39  
The parts you need can be obtain from Case-IH. Part numbers are 47404da fuel adjustment screw, 24687da fuel adjustment screw packing nut, 24703da fuel adjustment screw packing. Make sure you get all the old packing cleaned out.



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450 driver

04-12-2008 18:49:52




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 Re: M carb leak in reply to Zach Bouchard, 04-12-2008 17:13:39  
The picture don't show much that is needed to see. But, it should be the main fuel mixture screw assembly you're about to deal with. It should be an easy job.

There's the brass fitting that screws into the carb body and is sealed with a soft metal washer, or mebbie a real hard paper one.

The brass fitting should have a straight hole part way thru the axis, with the inner part of the hole threaded the rest of the way to match the threads on the mixture screw.

Between the head of the mixture screw and the threaded part should be a smooth and straight (no taper or wierd shapes) section.

You need a new o-ring. Look around your pile of half used carburetor kits, or your O-ring box, and get one that the inside diameter fits the straight section of the screw, and the outside diameter fits the hole in the brass fitting. Just slightly snug on the o-ring fit.

Next, clean up the fitting hole, the little spring and the flat washer that goes on the screw along with the o-ring. If you can't find 'em you've probably found the reason for the leak...

Anyway, round up a spring and flat washer that will fit with a little clearance into the hole in the brass fitting, and a little clearance on the screw, both. One end of the spring should seat against the bottom of the screw head.

Put it together as follows- Put the spring over the screw shaft.
Slide the washer on the shaft and against the spring.
Put the O-ring on the screw shaft and against the washer.
Give the whole works, including the hole in the carburetor casting, a shot of motor oil and make sure everything is all slicked up..

Put the soft metal washer on the fitting and screw them into the carburetor body.
Insert the screw in the fitting hole and gently run it in.

You should feel some friction while turning the screw as it gets close to being seated. The spring should be pushing on the washer. The washer should be pushing on the o-ring. And the o-ring should bottom out in a clean hole. Spring pressure makes the O-ring swell a bit and that accomplishes sealing the fuel from leaking

Do not force the screw against the seat! Use gentle force to find the bottom. Back the screw out one turn. This should get the engine started and let you make initial adjustments and warm it up.

1. Final adjustment of the main mixture screw is done with the engine fully warmed up and running at wide open throttle, or full governor speed (1750 RPM). 2. Run the screw in slowly and stop when engine speed starts to drop. Note the screw head position.
3. While counting screw turns, slowly back out the mixture screw and stop when the engine begins to slow down, or runs rough and makes exhaust smoke.
4. Return the screw to the half way, or best running, position. 5. Do this procedure several times and find the screw postion that gives maximum engine speed with smoothest running.

Now, move the throttle to idle position and do it all again with the idle mixture adjustment screw. It's the smaller one just below where the governor shaft connects to the throttle arm inside the housing.

If perchance the thing don't seem to run just right under load, try changing the main mixture screw 1/8 turn one way or the other. If that don't help, return the screw to where it was before you changed it. If it still don't run right check into ignition system needs. If it runs good, go have a cold one and gloat about your success and don't mess with it any further! Good luck, 450

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Red Mist

04-12-2008 17:32:09




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 Re: M carb leak in reply to Zach Bouchard, 04-12-2008 17:13:39  
My old eyes might be failing me, but I have never seen anything quite like that before. Usually there is just a needle protruding with an exposed packing nut.
Typically, you would need a new packing. They are available from your case/ih dealer. Be careful with them as they will break easily until installed in the carb. I usually carefully slide them onto the needle first, then screw the needle into the carb and carefully tighten the packing nut.
In a pinch, I have also used 4 or 5 o-rings. I used a size that would just slide onto the needle. The packing nut then gave them enough pressure to seal everything. mike

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