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Patrick Martin

05-02-2008 21:29:03




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Question..... ..

Will the IPTO found on the SMTA fit a regular M?

All this talk about baling in the other posts has me wondering if my M's will be OK for baling. I have two and the plan was to cut with both then run one on the rake and the other on the baler.
I'm thinking it wont but I'd like to know why? Where is the power from the IPTO coming from? Dose the driveshaft have a sleeve or something over it?

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ih560

05-02-2008 22:18:05




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 Re: IPTO in reply to Patrick Martin, 05-02-2008 21:29:03  
As far as I know a Super M does not even have an IPTO which means Independent Power Take Off. The IPTO is driven off the Pressure Plate instead of the clutch plate like the input shaft. The IPTO shaft is hollow and the input shaft runs through the center of it and into the clutch plate. It is designed this way so that you have power to the IPTO shaft at all times while the engine is running, even when the clutch is depressed. This was first implemented on the Super M-TA and was not available on the Super M. You could fit a Super M-TA IPTO shaft into a Super M but you would need the rest of the back half of the Super M-TA as well as the pressure plate from a super M-TA.

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Patrick Martin

05-02-2008 22:13:00




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 Re: IPTO in reply to Patrick Martin, 05-02-2008 21:29:03  
Thank you very much Chadd! I was worried and needed that bit of reassurance. :D
So basically what you are saying is that I need to make sure that before any sort of stop the baler needs to run out and there is no amount of hay left for the pickup to suck into the machine.
Kick it out of gear and let it run out if I bog or if I need to stop then do the same or run in between the windrows but do not disconnect the power from the PTO until the machine clears itself.

Correct? :wink:

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chadd

05-02-2008 23:06:20




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 Re: IPTO in reply to Patrick Martin, 05-02-2008 22:13:00  
Patrick,
Yep, that is correct. Or you can do it my dad's way. He has the tractor in neutral, puts the PTO on, lets out the clutch, then once the baler reaches speed, he punches the clutch in, puts it in gear, and lets out the clutch without grinding gears. I don't recommend this to a novice, and I don't use it either. The baler requires an overrunning clutch for this to have a chance of working. Ive never seen him plug the baler with this method, though.

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chadd

05-02-2008 21:51:58




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 Re: IPTO in reply to Patrick Martin, 05-02-2008 21:29:03  
Patrick,

No, unfortunately, it will not work. If you look at a Super MTA or a Super W6TA, they are actually longer than their letter series counterparts. This is because there is an additional transmission housing in between the normal transmission and the bell-housing. The way the IPTO gets its power on these tractors is by using two hollow shafts and running the IPTO shafting through the inside of the normal transmission shafts. The IPTO shaft is splined directly into the flywheel and runs through the inside of the transmission input shaft that is controlled by the clutch. It then passes through a gear reduction and another shaft carries the power to the IPTO unit on the back of the tractor though the hollow lower transmission shaft. Because the gear reduction takes place in that additional housing, you would need it to make it work, along with the special hollow shafts.

I have done some baling with a W6 and an M and I truthfully believe that it isn"t that big of a deal. Baling has existed LONG before IPTO was around, and people survived. IPTO is more of a convenience than a necessity. The main things to remember are:
before stopping the tractor, let the baler head empty out.
if the hay is thick, move some of the hay in front of the head to the next row over, or back up a few feet to get some running room for the baler to get up to speed.
If it starts to plug up, pull the shifter out of gear without clutching. The second you hit the clutch, it WILL be plugged.

The M and W6 are great baler tractors. It just takes some practice, finesse, and re-training from habits picked up with IPTO.

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