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H fanatic

05-05-2008 20:00:31

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I am in the process of converting my 1946 Farmall H to run on E-85. Where can I get a float needle valve without the rubber tip? An all brass one? I have just put in a set of stepped head pistons. So that should be a high enough compression increase to run pretty good. Along with a few carb adjustments.

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Nick

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jonnny2006

05-06-2008 00:00:34

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Re: E-85, Ethanol in reply to H fanatic, 05-05-2008 20:00:31

I also would like to add this fact. Out of a bushel of corn kernels you can get 2.7- 2.8 gals of alcohol out of it. I would like to see alcohol made from the stalk or any other biomass. I know they can turn just about anything that rotts into some form of fuel. Switchgrass has a heavy yeild per acher thus resulting in more fuel. It is time we kick the oil and stsrt ramping up production on wind generation and renewable fuels. I know that we will do it....I'm sorry to say that the only way main stream america will go to these alternitives is if they are cheeper. someday they will be cheeper as there is only so much oil in the world.

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IndianaRed

05-11-2008 16:47:13

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Re: E-85, Ethanol in reply to jonnny2006, 05-06-2008 00:00:34

You've been fooled by fools.

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gene bender

05-06-2008 03:47:15

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Re: E-85, Ethanol in reply to jonnny2006, 05-06-2008 00:00:34

So ya want switchgrass for fuel how do you transport and keep it without spoiling from the elements and what do you do with whats left.

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trucker40

05-06-2008 08:21:53

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Re: E-85, Ethanol in reply to gene bender, 05-06-2008 03:47:15

Bale it for transport,maybe make pellets out of it.You burn whats left,or any of it that will burn to make more ethanol.

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mkirsch

05-06-2008 06:57:00

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Re: E-85, Ethanol in reply to gene bender, 05-06-2008 03:47:15

You can't get all-brass needles any more, only the rubber tipped ones.

Don't worry about it, though. If it's rubber-tipped, it's a modern needle with modern rubber that the ethanol won't attack. Only old rubber is susceptible to ethanol.

The problem with ethanol is that unless they can figure out how to make it from industrial waste, it's going to come down to a choice between eating or driving your antique tractor. We can't supply this country's energy needs and feed it at the same time just on farm-based ethanol alone.

If we're to believe in the whole "global warming" concept, we've created our own solution by creating the problem: The more volatile weather can be used to drive wind turbines. The higher levels of UV in the atmosphere can be absorbed by solar cells.

Electricity is the achievable future for anything that's bolted down, and many things that aren't. We already have the technology, it's already refined, and the sky is the limit for how far we can take it.

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Janicholson

05-06-2008 08:16:11

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Re: E-85, Ethanol in reply to mkirsch, 05-06-2008 06:57:00

Your opinion is a refreshing departure from wishful thinking. Thanks. As we harvest whole plants (including roots in some cases) we deplete the soil radically. To replenish we use artificial non-renewable resources (Natural gas (haber process anhydrous), Phosphorous, and Potash. If we use marginal land to avoid Food crop displacement, we destroy habitat, and increase erosion (these lands are often simi raparian). These practices(and runoff from them) are future delimas never considered by many. Thanks. JimN

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garytomaszewski

05-06-2008 07:19:21

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Re: E-85, Ethanol in reply to mkirsch, 05-06-2008 06:57:00

We go through this everytime some one says food or fuel!!!! How much corn did you eat today, this week, this month ?? The distillers mash is still LIVESTOCK feed just as the corn was. None complained when we made high fructose corn syrup to replace sugar cane. Noone is concerned about the grain (rye wheat, barley, corn) that is used for drinking whiskey!!! How about potatoes ( human food) that are used to make vodka? As far as I know there are 4 kinds of corn; Pop, Food grade White, Sweet, and Yellow dent(livestock/ethanol!!!

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trucker40

05-06-2008 08:50:40

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Re: E-85, Ethanol in reply to garytomaszewski, 05-06-2008 07:19:21

I agree.It wouldnt hurt anybody expressing an opinion to read up on it.Ethanol is not being made out of switchgrass yet.What does grass do in marginal soil?The root system holds the soil from erosion.What does switchgrass do,holds soil from erosion.Thats why its being promoted for Ethanol because its good to hold soil from erosion,and can be planted on marginal ground,therefore creating more revenue for a farmer,who can now grow corn,beans on his good ground,and switchgrass on his marginal ground for Ethanol.Switchgrass may even do better if mixed with something else like corstalks or cobs or even wood.It may need to be mixed with something else,but maybe they have figured out how to make Ethanol without mixing it now.Some people have to be either repeating a oil company opinion,or being fed propaganda to hide the truth.If you are going to drive anything in the future,it will burn some Ethanol.If oil companies continue to jack up prices,you will burn lots more ethanol instead of less,electricity too.Also,there is not a shortage of oil right now.They have found billions of barrels of oil off the coast of Brazil,and other places,and it should be at our American refineries by 2010.Besides billions of barrels they found in the Gulf of Mexico.Besides that we have lots of coal.With the price of a barrel of oil now,I dont see why they cant make some Diesel out of coal,the Germans did it in WW2,and I bet they could,but wont.The reason is they have bunches of oil,and lots of money.If they were smaller,hungry companies,they would be glad to refine oil.Now they want to control oil.The oil companies arent the only problem here,its speculaters.They are responsible for 60% of the price of oil.They are from our own country,and our "Government"wont do anything about them because they are paid off.Plus they lie all the time so nobody will find out very fast while they are stealing money from us.

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LMack

05-06-2008 13:01:43

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Re: E-85, Ethanol in reply to trucker40, 05-06-2008 08:50:40

E-85 or petroleum, let the market decide. The problem is that the progressives in Washington have decided that E-85 is the way to go. Because we have adapted "Eastern Religion" and can't hurt the earth we are becomming like the people of India. They are starving yet they will not eat cows. Being vegetarians they depend on green crops and grain produced in fields. Their soil is some of the richest in the world but they can't produce the crops because the cows that wander freely eat the shoots. Religion prevents them from fencing the fields or runing the cows out of the fields. We have a new religion that is earth first. Here we sit on enough oil to supply the worlds needs for centuries but are not allowed to drill, much less build refineries. The hills and mountains in Kentucky and W.V. are heavy with coal. It would damage the environment to mine this coal and the sufer content would cause acid rain. So in a few years we will shiver in our cold dark houses with no heat or light. Is this what we want? Our reluctance to move forward is like being unwilling to plow the field because we might kill an earth worm. But the bigger question is, "Would E-85 survive if allowed to compete without government subsidy?" I don't think so. I do wish the corn farmers to do well, but corn farmers have to compete in the same market I do. If there is no demand for corn then do something else. I am an Agricultural Engineer. If no one wants my service, I might be forced to do other work. This is hard but fair.

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trucker40

05-06-2008 18:04:28

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Re: E-85, Ethanol in reply to LMack, 05-06-2008 13:01:43

Just so you know,oil gets a bigger "subsidy"than ethanol.A lot more.Something like 2 dollars a gallon on gasoline.

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karl f

05-06-2008 12:02:46

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Re: E-85, Ethanol in reply to trucker40, 05-06-2008 08:50:40

trucker40 said: (quoted from post at 08:50:40 05/06/08) ,I dont see why they cant make some Diesel out of coal,the Germans did it in WW2,and .

information for you:

Rudolph Diesel, (credited) inventor of the diesel engine, German, intended his invention to run on coal dust. It was very difficult to inject the dust consistently and effectively, so we eventually ended up with what is called diesel fuel today.

karl f

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trucker40

05-06-2008 18:07:05

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Re: E-85, Ethanol in reply to karl f, 05-06-2008 12:02:46

I think I saw a Popular Science or something years ago,maybe in the 70s,where General Motors had built a car that would run on powdered coal.

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jonnny2006

05-05-2008 20:36:53

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Re: E-85, Ethanol in reply to H fanatic, 05-05-2008 20:00:31

nick
it is nice that you have increased the compression in your engine. this is tru wheather you run it on gas or alcohol. I have a 40 A that i run E85 in it, and i din't have to adjust anything. I cant tell the diffrence in power. As for the all brass tip, I would not even bother changing it unless it becomes a problume. Here in minnesota the law requires a 10% alcohol blend and that has been in effect for almost a decade or longer and i havent had any fuel related problumes what so ever. I belive that alcohol will be the future fuel. I just wish they would start making the fuel out of grass instead of corn. I also run 50% E10 and 50% E85 in my van.(2001 windstar).. It is not a flex fuel engine but it runs just fine on the 50/50 blend. The only thing i noticed is my milage dropped from 19.1 to 18.2 But e85 is 60 cents a gallon cheeper. bt i run e85 as it is a sustainable fuel, also the exaust dosent stink nearly as bad in fact the rain cap on my A is turning a lighter color almost white.

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