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Farmall Super C that smokes

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it smokes

05-10-2008 08:19:29




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I've got a 52' SC that runs good, but, it's smoking bad. Oil is spitting out exhuast. Compression check is good & even across all 4 cyls. Loal shop says my head needs to be re-done ($350). I don't doubt that, but, isn't the oil making it past the rings & likely doesn't it need rings? ...but, if it does, why is my compression w/in 10 PSI high to low?




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trucker40

05-10-2008 10:13:42




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 Re: Farmall Super C that smokes in reply to it smokes, 05-10-2008 08:19:29  
Well,its proboly leaking most of the oil through the valve guides.You might just put rings in and get the head fixed if you dont have a lot of ring groove.The compression is because your valves are closing and rings arent wore completely out.The oil leaks in through the valve guides,not the valve seats.When motors are cold,or wound up high,lots of oil is being squirted on the valve system on the top of the head.All that oil has to run back down to the pan through a couple of small holes.Especially when its cold,it will keep too much oil up on top,the old rubber seals on the valves have probly long ago crumbled and fell off,then oil runs down the guides,and into the combustion chamber,fouling plugs,making oil come out the exhaust,and smoking.If you just fix the valves the rings sometimes go out quick after that because of more compression with the valve system fixed.Rings have a tension to them,as they wear the top of the cylinder gets worn out worse than the bottom,meaning the top of the cylinder gets bigger and kind of egg shaped,When the rings go up and down they move in and out slightly and get worn in.The more they move,just like twisting a piece of baling wire,after a while it gets soft enough to break.Instead of a ring breaking(they can)loosing tension is enough to loose compression,one of the required things an internal combustion motor needs to run and start with out being pulled.If your cylinder has more than 10 thousandths groove more at the top than at the bottom you need to bore it or replace the sleeves if your motor has them.A hair out of your head is about 7 thousandths so 10 thousandths is not much.

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gene bender

05-10-2008 09:26:57




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 Re: Farmall Super C that smokes in reply to it smokes, 05-10-2008 08:19:29  
Valve guides could be worn. If you have good readings on the test maybe a change of oil could also be in order. With that price on the head that must be new seats and guides.and new valves.



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old

05-10-2008 09:18:55




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 Re: Farmall Super C that smokes in reply to it smokes, 05-10-2008 08:19:29  
Just a warning. If you have the head done you better also rebuild the rest of the engine or in a short time the bottom will probably drop out on you. Engines wear pretty much even so if the top goes bad the bottom will be also or the other way around. Now to slow the smoke you can go to a thicker oil or a straight oil. I have one tractor wrong color for this forum that smokes and I run 50W or 60W oil in it. Its a 1935 JD-B and from what I know about it the head has never been off of it and I know its history since 1940 when my grandfather got it

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Janicholson

05-10-2008 08:36:21




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 Re: Farmall Super C that smokes in reply to it smokes, 05-10-2008 08:19:29  
Uniform wear results in uniform compression. Stuck rings, or worn cylinders and rings can be at fault and still have compression.
Pulling the head will allow clear assessment of the ring wear in the cylinder. There is probably a ridge where the top ring stops its upward travel. If this ridge is able to be felt easily with a fingernail, it is time for new sleeves and pistons. Kits are available on this site, and appear as good as any. The sleeves are wet sleeves, which means they can be removed easily without special tools or pullers. Check the archives for information on installeing wet sleeves. JimN

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