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ADVICE!!! On Removing 46yr, Threaded Exhaust Pipe...

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charles todd

05-15-2008 18:53:46




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I bought a new muffler for my F504D and the 12" pipe in the manifold is thin and bent. I want to remove from the manifold and replace with a fresh sch 40 2" pipe nipple (2 3/8" o.d). I have been soaking the threads with CRC Knocker' Loose (similar to Aero Kroil) this evening to maybe loosen some rust and scale. Should I do this cold or hot? Be nice if I can just put an 18" pipe wrench on and it spin out, but I doubt this will happen. I DO NOT want to break the manifold, and should probably leave it alone and live with a "swept back" muffler. It just looks bad and I am determined to remove the old pipe. Help appriciated.

Charles

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charles todd

05-16-2008 22:15:16




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 Re: ADVICE!!! On Removing 46yr, Threaded Exhaust Pipe... in reply to charles todd, 05-15-2008 18:53:46  
Thanks Banjo, I will try that 8)



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banjo

05-16-2008 22:12:53




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 Re: ADVICE!!! On Removing 46yr, Threaded Exhaust Pipe... in reply to charles todd, 05-15-2008 18:53:46  
heat it up then let it cool down.put the wrench to it when it is cool. the heating and cooling action my break the rust loose. then when it breaks off you can try the other methods.



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Roger46

05-16-2008 18:26:00




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 Re: ADVICE!!! On Removing 46yr, Threaded Exhaust Pipe... in reply to charles todd, 05-15-2008 18:53:46  
On the Farmall 350D I am working on I could get the pipe off, but the threads were so rusty that I couldn't get a new pipe screwed in. I tried cutting into the threads on a 2" pipe around the pipe with a hacksaw and screwing it in, but all it did was collapse the pipe. Then I went looking for someone with a 2" pipe tap. That I discovered was not a common item as I called several machine shops including ones that do industrial work (used to deal with them before I retired). I ended up buying one from Harbor Freight for about $60 (actually a set of 3 - 1 1/4, 1 1/2, and 2; made where? - China). Running a real pipe tap into the manifold really cleaned up the threads and allowed me to screw the new pipe in easily. Roger

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charles todd

05-16-2008 07:49:40




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 Re: ADVICE!!! On Removing 46yr, Threaded Exhaust Pipe... in reply to charles todd, 05-15-2008 18:53:46  
Thanks Allan, I did not even think of the air chisel. Got one brand new, never been used, it was on sale so I grabbed it. I will work on this this evening or Saturday morning, I will update. Thanks.



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Allan In NE

05-16-2008 05:12:48




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 Re: ADVICE!!! On Removing 46yr, Threaded Exhaust Pipe... in reply to charles todd, 05-15-2008 18:53:46  
Charles,

Do you own a power chisel?

Put your pipe wrench on 'er; betcha it screws right out of there. However, if it doesn't come, do like these guys are saying. Chop it off and use the power chisel.

Do it cold and it takes about 32 seconds.

Allan



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iowa 100

05-15-2008 21:26:59




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 Re: ADVICE!!! On Removing 46yr, Threaded Exhaust Pipe... in reply to charles todd, 05-15-2008 18:53:46  
we've done this many times. with manifold removed, cut pipe off leaving half up to an inch outside manifold. then just use a cutting torch to cut down into manifold. The old pipe cuts out quick, cast does not cut and if you cut properly, as one should be knowledgeable, the heat will not damage the manifold. Two cuts, hammer and chisel the the two pieces, out in about 10 min.



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charles todd

05-15-2008 21:22:25




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 Re: ADVICE!!! On Removing 46yr, Threaded Exhaust Pipe... in reply to charles todd, 05-15-2008 18:53:46  
Very good info guys, thanks.

Charles



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Fancy Farm

05-15-2008 20:34:01




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 Re: ADVICE!!! On Removing 46yr, Threaded Exhaust Pipe... in reply to charles todd, 05-15-2008 18:53:46  
have always cut them off just above manifold and collapsing them with punch or chisel. if you have to cut it a sawzall will work. One vertical cut then collapse nipple.



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charles todd

05-15-2008 20:12:53




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 Re: ADVICE!!! On Removing 46yr, Threaded Exhaust Pipe... in reply to charles todd, 05-15-2008 18:53:46  
I have thought about the cutting off and cutting from the inside. I have not yet put a wrench on it. Still my question remains; try to un-thread nipple, hot or cold? I have a torch, but am leary of heating the cast manifold. Will it crack? Heat and penetrating oil works in many cases, but I have never had to remove a baked nipple... Thanks.

Charles



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garytomaszewski

05-15-2008 19:29:53




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 Re: ADVICE!!! On Removing 46yr, Threaded Exhaust Pipe... in reply to charles todd, 05-15-2008 18:53:46  
Have you considered sawzalling the pipe off flush or a little above the top of manifold then 2-4 cuts into the threaded area, Peel the pieces out, run a thread chaser/cleaner Not a full blown tap, little JB Weld where you knicked the treads and screw. in new pipe



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KEB1

05-15-2008 19:24:59




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 Re: ADVICE!!! On Removing 46yr, Threaded Exhaust Pipe... in reply to charles todd, 05-15-2008 18:53:46  
Hi, I've done a couple of rusted together pipes, and invariably end up just cutting it.

Cut the pipe off a little bit above where it comes out of the manifold, just make sure to leave a half inch or so to grab on to. If its thin enough, you can take a punch and knock one side of the pipe inward just above the manifold to kind of collapse it. Work the fold downwards with the punch until the pipe comes loose.

If its too thick to collapse easily, the only other solution I've ever had any luck with is cutting it. Assuming you don't have a cutting torch, you're stuck with a hacksaw blade and some elbow grease. One of these handles you get at a home store that holds onto one end of a hacksaw blade will make it easier.

Cut the pipe lengthwise with the hacksaw blade, until you get deep enough to start hitting the threads on the manifold. At that point, all that will be holding that side of the pipe together is some little thin strips of metal in the threads, at you should be able to hit it with a punch and collapse it enough to be able to unscrew it.

If worse comes to worse, make several cuts and take it out a piece at a time. Be careful not to damage the threads on the manifold (a few nicks won't hurt anything), or you'll end up having to buy an expensive pipe tap to fix them.

I suppose a sawzall or something similar with a metal cutting blade would also work, just be careful not to go too deep.

Good luck, I hate working on exhaust systems as something always breaks.

Keith

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garytomaszewski

05-15-2008 19:42:55




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 Re: ADVICE!!! On Removing 46yr, Threaded Exhaust Pipe... in reply to KEB1, 05-15-2008 19:24:59  
Keith, much better explaination than mine and you type faster too. I hate exhaust work too, old crystalize pieces, stuck and rusted after 40 years, trying now to get an F 12 all fuel manifold apart to fix heat valve and patch a burn out.



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KEB1

05-16-2008 07:56:25




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 Re: ADVICE!!! On Removing 46yr, Threaded Exhaust Pipe... in reply to garytomaszewski, 05-15-2008 19:42:55  
Thanks, let me know how that goes. I've got a couple old W-30's I hope to make one good one out of, but both manifolds are badly cracked. Guess I'll have to learn how to weld cast...

Keith



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Oak Dale

05-16-2008 07:14:56




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 Re: ADVICE!!! On Removing 46yr, Threaded Exhaust Pipe... in reply to garytomaszewski, 05-15-2008 19:42:55  
I'm new to old tractors - but having a ball. I'm an 'old hand' at repairing clocks and other mechanical stuff. I just redid a manifold on my newly acquired '45 Farmall M. Had to take out a VERY badly brazed pipe and clean the threads in the manifold.

Here's my trick. I used a Dremel tool with a small cut-off disc. It looks like sending a boy to do a man's job, but don't underestimate what that little quarter sized saw blade can do. I used it to both cut off pipe and then clean the threads by regrinding them in a 'chasing' fashion. I would think you could make a verticle cut in the piece left in the manifold very easily. Two or three cut segments wouldn't be that hard either.

For what it's worth!

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