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Tie-Rod Ends : Poor-Boy fix (Pictures)

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charles todd

05-19-2008 07:26:18

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This is how we repair tie-rod ends in the South! Not really, I just did this for now when I found out that complete, proper parts are about $50.00 each. That is $200.00 for 4 ends... I got a NEW, not rebuilt 17 GPM pump for $373 Shipped.

Anyone know where I can get tie-rods reasonable? Is there an automotive application that cross references? Buy a cheap automotive tie-cut end off rod, and weld to old rod (holes or threads)? I think this is a Schwartz or a Speeco WFE.
Maybe I'll just paint these IH Red and be done!

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NDS

05-20-2008 06:02:15

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Re: Tie-Rod Ends : Poor-Boy fix (Pictures) in reply to charles todd, 05-19-2008 07:26:18

You must not have been born in South, a true Southener would be proud of that job.

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NDS

05-20-2008 10:00:57

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Re: Tie-Rod Ends : Poor-Boy fix (Pictures) in reply to NDS, 05-20-2008 06:02:15

PS: I am as Southern as grits and cornbread.

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PaulW_NJ

05-20-2008 03:58:48

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Re: Tie-Rod Ends : Poor-Boy fix (Pictures) in reply to charles todd, 05-19-2008 07:26:18

Just to second what others have already said . . . . my NAPA dealer photocopied seven pages from a catalog for me of every conceivable tie rod end. Ask your NAPA dealer to see their catalog. If you post the dimensions I'll give you parts numbers.

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05-19-2008 22:40:14

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Re: Tie-Rod Ends : Poor-Boy fix (Pictures) in reply to charles todd, 05-19-2008 07:26:18

for a total jury rig, you would have to use baling wire in place of the cotter pins. and that's only if you used the pliers from your belt loop holder to cut the wire with.

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charles todd

05-19-2008 20:55:07

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Re: Tie-Rod Ends : Poor-Boy fix (Pictures) in reply to charles todd, 05-19-2008 07:26:18

Interesting views. I plan to repair with new parts, someday. Maybe this summer, maybe next summer. The washers I cut off to weld on my grade 8's were SQUARE and the holes were almost worn thru! I spoke to the man that welded them on and he said he welded them on 28-30 years ago. I know the welds looked rough, but I only spot welded in 5 places in case I need to replace them :lol: At least I chipped the slag off.

Charles

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Hugh MacKay

05-19-2008 19:32:15

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Re: Tie-Rod Ends : Poor-Boy fix (Pictures) in reply to charles todd, 05-19-2008 07:26:18

Charles: Well, we gave you a hard time, most of it stemed from your temporary fix. Nothing wrong with your fix and let me assure you, it's not exclusively a southern thing.

A friend of mine was into mainly truck and some heavy equipment repair, had his own shop. One evening back in the 80s he was just closing after getting truck on the road for a customer. A multi-millionaire with a 4 year old Buick pulled up. His tyrod had dropped off on the road, poked it back on to get to my friend's shop. My friend had no parts for cars so they did the big washer weld on just like you. He told me he saw the Buick in a parking lot 3 years later, still owned by the millionaire, and still running with the weld on washer. We can assume you are a man of means, and will be leaving tyrods as fixed. Haha, an indicator of wealth.

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Patrick Martin

05-19-2008 19:54:23

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Re: Tie-Rod Ends : Poor-Boy fix (Pictures) in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-19-2008 19:32:15

Hugh MacKay said: (quoted from post at 19:32:15 05/19/08) Charles: Well, we gave you a hard time, most of it stemed from your temporary fix. Nothing wrong with your fix and let me assure you, it's not exclusively a southern thing.

A friend of mine was into mainly truck and some heavy equipment repair, had his own shop. One evening back in the 80s he was just closing after getting truck on the road for a customer. A multi-millionaire with a 4 year old Buick pulled up. His tyrod had dropped off on the road, poked it back on to get to my friend's shop. My friend had no parts for cars so they did the big washer weld on just like you. He told me he saw the Buick in a parking lot 3 years later, still owned by the millionaire, and still running with the weld on washer. We can assume you are a man of means, and will be leaving tyrods as fixed. Haha, an indicator of wealth.

I second this..... AMEN Hugh.

I don't see why y'all are giving him a hard time on this, I doubt he is going for the concurs repair but just trying to make ends meet (literally) and get his machine back to work. Automotive tie rod end are more than sufficient and I applaud your creativity Charles! :D 8)

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Jim J

05-19-2008 17:34:47

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Re: Tie-Rod Ends : Poor-Boy fix (Pictures) in reply to charles todd, 05-19-2008 07:26:18

The front end is a Speeco. I have the ends for the front. The four ends are a little under a $100.00

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charles todd

05-19-2008 13:18:48

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Re: Tie-Rod Ends : Poor-Boy fix (Pictures) in reply to charles todd, 05-19-2008 07:26:18

Thanks Rusty, I'll get the measurements and send them to you. I am not sure of Mfg of the WFE, but the measurements should be sufficent.

Thanks,
Charles

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dhermesc

05-19-2008 11:13:11

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Re: Tie-Rod Ends : Poor-Boy fix (Pictures) in reply to charles todd, 05-19-2008 07:26:18

I fail to see the problem.

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RustyFarmall

05-19-2008 11:06:01

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Re: Tie-Rod Ends : Poor-Boy fix (Pictures) in reply to charles todd, 05-19-2008 07:26:18

Send me an email. I'll fix you right up with the correct new tie rods and have them delivered right to your door.

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Ron-MO

05-19-2008 09:49:06

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Re: Tie-Rod Ends : Poor-Boy fix (Pictures) in reply to charles todd, 05-19-2008 07:26:18

May be someone come up with the info you need. I have ran into the same thing on other parts. I have a baler that gets very expensive to buy pickup teeth for. I found another source for what is probably the same part except it is not sold by a dealer for a fraction of the cost. Is it the same part? Who knows, but it sure did not cost any more to make the dealer part, and my bet is that it came from the same manufacturer. At least your fix gives you time to look around. I have found parts for a fraction of the cost just by shopping around. Don't just assume that since it is a critical part you should pay top dollar and just expect that because you paid more it must be better. Many times the part is the same, it is just the profit margin that is greater. Maybe I am crazy, but I can spend quite a bit of time on the phone to save $50.

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mkirsch

05-19-2008 09:31:45

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Re: Tie-Rod Ends : Poor-Boy fix (Pictures) in reply to charles todd, 05-19-2008 07:26:18

As good as new! Heck, Dad used to build up the tierod ends with a nail.

The offroad hobby uses "Hind" joints for suspension. I'd imagine that you could weld one of these on the tierod ends and through-bolt into the steering arms.

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Red Mist

05-20-2008 12:10:27

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Re: Tie-Rod Ends : Poor-Boy fix (Pictures) in reply to mkirsch, 05-19-2008 09:31:45

mkirsch said: (quoted from post at 09:31:45 05/19/08)
The offroad hobby uses "Hind" joints for suspension.

I'm pretty sure they are called "Heim" joints.

mike

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charles todd

05-19-2008 09:25:37

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Re: Tie-Rod Ends : Poor-Boy fix (Pictures) in reply to charles todd, 05-19-2008 07:26:18

This is a purely temporary fix. One was about to fall out, so this is what I did to last through this hay cutting (have about 40 acres to bale). Road gear is out of the question in the hay field. After I bale hay, I will take them off and try NAPA.

I posted this to stir the grey matter of viewers to help me find a source for heavy-duty tie-rod ends. Cost is not an issue if that is the going rate, I just saw them on ONE site and it seemed high. Slowly I am replacing many parts on this tractor that are worn. I felt the hydraulic pump was a priority over the tie-rods right now.
Thanks,

Charles

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Hugh MacKay

05-19-2008 08:47:13

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Re: Tie-Rod Ends : Poor-Boy fix (Pictures) in reply to charles todd, 05-19-2008 07:26:18

Charles: Nothing wrong with price of tractor tyrod ends. They lasted 40 years and cost $50. That's much cheaper than a $25. automotive tyrod end that lasts 7 years.

Those springs the pull back the tractor clutch and brake pedals are $30.+ and are much less expensive than anything else on market. I've seen these tractors cobbled up with automotive parts, may as well scrap the tractor and be done with it.

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RustyFarmall

05-19-2008 08:32:49

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Re: Tie-Rod Ends : Poor-Boy fix (Pictures) in reply to charles todd, 05-19-2008 07:26:18

There probably are tie rods for other applications that would fit, but I can pretty much guarantee they won't be any less costly. Complete tie rod assemblies are readily available for that Schwartz, and the complete assembly is less costly than buying the parts individually. I'm thinking that if you have counted the time involved, you already have a considerable amount involved.

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Janicholson

05-19-2008 08:05:52

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Re: Tie-Rod Ends : Poor-Boy fix (Pictures) in reply to charles todd, 05-19-2008 07:26:18

There are a few things I will not mess around with (I am not flaming, I am giving an opinion). Steering linkage is one of them. I would never drive the pictured unit in road gear with the repairs as shown. One high speed accident will cost more than 200. I believe in making things, except steering and suspension control stuff. There are bound to be cross overs. I found Ford Taurus tierod ends screw into Toyota Tercel Rack and pinion inner couplings, and fit the taper of Dana 40 radius arms. A good NAPA parts person has the info, if you are willing to determine the thread sizes, handedness, and taper of the shank. JimN

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Hoss in Me

05-19-2008 13:29:13

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Re: Tie-Rod Ends : Poor-Boy fix (Pictures) in reply to Janicholson, 05-19-2008 08:05:52

Take that big check the prez is gonna give us to help the economy get back on its feet,pat yourself on the back and getcha a bottle of jack and admire your work.No sense buying new stuff anyhow cause pretty soon you wont be able to afford fuel for your tractor anyways. Just my thoughts,Hoss P.S. By the way,good job!

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