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Buyer and Seller Feedback - Rick Olsen - Kirkwood, IL.

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Farmalltom

11-07-2006 19:32:16




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Asked around about this man but nobody seemed to be able to tell me much one way or the other.

Called on and bought an IH 460D from him last month. When I called I asked specific questions and he answered them all. One of these questions was,"Is there any water in the oil?". What he told me was that there was NOT water in the oil but that the head gasket was blown out on #1 cylinder. He said that he had it running and that it seemed to run alright other than #1 leaking.
When I got it home, I pulled the head. What I found was a broken sleeve on #2 and most of the exhaust ports so full of carbon that I can't believe it would run at all, let alone well. When I pulled the pan plug, the water flowed like a river.
I called Mr. Olsen about this and eventually found out that he had never even checked the pan for water even though he told me it was fine. He said, "I didn't THINK it would have water in it."
I don't hold him responsible for the condition of the engine because a man can't know what he might find inside of an engine.(although there is little chance that it would have run well at all as he stated)
I am, however, very disappointed that he would tell me that the tractor had no water in the oil. Had I known, I would not have paid what I did for the tractor as I would have known there was more wrong with it than I was being told about.
VERY Disappointed,
-Tom

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Hard Knocks

11-14-2006 07:48:16




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 Re: Rick Olsen - Kirkwood, IL. in reply to Farmalltom, 11-07-2006 19:32:16  
It all boils down did the tractor have water in the oil Yes? or No? If the seller did not know or hadn't checked he should have answered 'I don't know' because he did not know (this is giving the benefit of the doubt for sure)With IH
460 diesels this is always one of the first questions to be answered. I would have asked for him to start the tractor since he said it ran though.



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def

11-09-2006 15:51:56




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 Re: Rick Olsen - Kirkwood, IL. in reply to Farmalltom, 11-07-2006 19:32:16  
well here"s my 2 cents worth. There is no way that Rick could have known EXACTLY what was wrong with the tractor UNLESS he did the same thing that you did. That is TEAR DOWN THE MOTOR!!!Nobody can be certain what shape a tractor motor is in unless you open it up and check for wear , breakage,etc. Was there WATER or anti freeze in the oil?? WATER can be from setting outside without a cover on the exhaust. This is common on older IH tractors. Now if its anti freeze then that could be from a bad head gasket , craked block or head, or bad cld wall. all of this have to be checked out with the motor apart! Nobody can be sure Unless you tear it down. $1500 is more that fair for this tractor even if you have to put some $$ in it. Check it out, rear rims and new tires $700, fast hitch $450, injection pump $400,Ther is you $1500.and you still have the rest of the tractor ! Heck , part it out , you will get over $2000 if you do it right!!!!!

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farmalltom

11-09-2006 20:48:20




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 Re: Rick Olsen - Kirkwood, IL. in reply to def, 11-09-2006 15:51:56  
My apologies concerning your knowledge of what I paid for the tractor. I had not yet seen Mr. Olsen's post to that effect.
Sincerely,
Tom



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farmalltom

11-09-2006 20:31:23




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 Re: Rick Olsen - Kirkwood, IL. in reply to def, 11-09-2006 15:51:56  
You are absolutely right about a person not knowing what's wrong with an engine unless he tears it down. In fact, I said exactly that in my post. I was disappointed about it but I don't blame him for the engine problems.
That said, I do have a problem with him telling me that there was no water in the oil when, as it turned out, he had never checked. I'm not talking about a couple of teaspoons or a half pint of condensation here. This was more like a half gallon. At the same time, I admit that part of the fault is mine for taking a man at his word and not dropping the oil plug there in his driveway. I tend to trust people first because when I tell a person that something is or isn't a certain way, that's how it is.
So.. what if I had checked for water..? I would still have just wasted 7 hours, several hundred miles, and a lot of gasoline. That might not have been quite as bad but it still wouldn't be right, would it?
Also - Considering that I never mentioned it, you seem to know an awful lot about what I paid for this tractor... That doesn't really indicate impartiality, it you know what I mean..? In addition - since you mentioned it - the fast hitch is the next thing to junk. I also asked if there were any welds or repairs anywhere and was told no. The FH is broken and/or welded all over the place. I'm not griping... just setting the record straight.
I will gladly sell the tractor for what I have in it. Come get it!.

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DEF

11-10-2006 16:20:32




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 Re: Rick Olsen - Kirkwood, IL. in reply to farmalltom, 11-09-2006 20:31:23  
Mr Tom, I did not mean to offend you in any way. I was just stateing my point of veiw! As far as knowing about the price of the tractor, all you need to do is look at the post just above yours. It clearly says $1500. I dont know this Rick guy, never talked to him or anything! I have no inside info , I just read it in his post like everybody else!!!!! I mearly was stating the facts as I see them. That is you cant blame a guy for not seeing the same thing as you without dismantleing the motor!!!

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Farmalltom

11-14-2006 08:12:41




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 Re: Rick Olsen - Kirkwood, IL. in reply to DEF, 11-10-2006 16:20:32  
Hey, DEF,
Sorry about that... My mistake. I linked directly to your new post and was unaware that Mr. Olson had posted the selling price as some sort of defense.
Without that knowledge, it appeared like you had an awful lot of inside information.
Again.. I do apologize.
-Tom



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KansasCity Man

11-09-2006 11:29:45




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 Re: Rick Olsen - Kirkwood, IL. in reply to Farmalltom, 11-07-2006 19:32:16  
Have done a lot of Buisness with Rick Olsen,always a straight shooter,His money is good also,Maybe if you were so concerned on the condition of the engine you yourself should have cracked the plug on the oil pan at his place,Im sure before you wrote this stupid feedback,that if you would have called him he would have bought it back,i doubt he will now,Idiots like you should go buy New,or give a Case-IH dealer $8500-10,000 for one with new paint,when you buy a tractor that needs work,thats just what you get,Rick olsen is a very Respected Individual,But its people like you,that us people have to worry about,get a life wierdo,you bout a tractor thats 45 years old!

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Farmalltom

11-09-2006 22:16:26




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 Re: Rick Olsen - Kirkwood, IL. in reply to KansasCity Man, 11-09-2006 11:29:45  
OK, Since you clearly have no clue as to what's going on here and also have no stake in this, perhaps you could keep the name calling out of this..?
If you had taken the time to carefully READ my post before you started typing a scathing response, you might have noticed that I DID call him about it. His response was to tell me that he had not actually checked the pan as he had told me before I bought the tractor. In spite of what you say he would do, not only did he not inquire about what could be done to rectify the situation but instead told me that if I'd buy another tractor, he'd offer a good price on it.
As far as checking the oil myself... Why would I do that? The man assured me that it was alright. Furthermore, what was I supposed to do... crack the plug right there in front of him in his drive after he had already told me he'd checked it? I guess I could have but showing someone that you don't trust them doesn't really seem like a good way to start out possible ongoing business transactions.
Just so we are clear; I posted the feedback about Mr. Olsen as a notation to others so that they might a least know that they should check things out themselves and not take his word for it. It was never meant to keep people from buying from him.
I can't speak for you, Sir, but I came up in a time and place when and where a man's word was his bond. If he lied, he was a liar. If he did it unknowingly and refused or declined to make amends when he realized it, he was untrustworthy.
The feedback was ALWAYS about being misled and never about the actual condition of the tractor. If that were the case, I could have gone much further.
I'm glad you and Mr. Olsen have had good dealings. I did not. Perhaps one day that will be righted but for now, that's just the way it is.

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sd pete

11-12-2006 00:03:07




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 Re: Rick Olsen - Kirkwood, IL. in reply to Farmalltom, 11-09-2006 22:16:26  
you could of pulled the dip stick and looked at that. so its your problem



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Farmalltom

11-12-2006 06:16:22




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 Re: Rick Olsen - Kirkwood, IL. in reply to sd pete , 11-12-2006 00:03:07  
Well, seeing how you say that he would never mislead anyone, that SHOULDN'T have been necessary, should it?
Thank you for reinforcing my point for me. If he had told me that he didn't know whether there was water in the oil instead of telling me there wasn't... I would have checked myself.
My purpose here was never to personally attack Mr. Olson. I just felt that others might benefit from knowing that they may want to go look at his stuff instead of taking his word for it.

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135 Fan

11-12-2006 10:36:48




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 Re: Rick Olsen - Kirkwood, IL. in reply to Farmalltom, 11-12-2006 06:16:22  
I agree with you Farmall Tom. Sometimes even the more honest guys just think about the money they can get. If Mr. Olson owned the tractor for a while, he should know it better than anyone. You didn't buy it from an auction and specifically asked about water in the oil. Had he said he didn't check or didn't know, then you could have checked it out. He told you no and then later admiitted he lied. It's really hard to take someones word for something anymore. Maybe the person who was calling you names on here is a founder of the lie and deceit club. It's one of the biggest organizations in the world. Dave

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SouthDakota-IH-Rebuilder

11-13-2006 11:37:07




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 Re: Rick Olsen - Kirkwood, IL. in reply to 135 Fan, 11-12-2006 10:36:48  
well first of all,There are whiners on here,I dont feel mr olson misrepresenred the tractor at all,He sold you a farmall tractor for 1500 dollars needing work,if you guys had a brain at all you would know whenever a headgasket is bad,you stand to get water in the oil,and especially when you remove the head,are you guys used to repairing pedal tractors or what???I am not name calling,just get real,the guy told you it needed rebuilt,clean it up and rebuild it!you people leave the stupidist feedbacks weve ever seen,new rear tires at $750,fast hitch at $450,pto assy at $350,radiator at $150,front steering bolster at $250,tin work at $300,fuel tank at $100,rear rims and hubs at $250,diesel pump core at $50,starter at $100,transmission at $750,used engine block assy with head needing rebuilt $250,part the thing out at $3,700 minimum,figure it out and shut up,its people like you guys that us parts people Hate!Im like that other guy,all i do is LAUGH at YOU!

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Farmalltom

11-13-2006 18:28:31




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 Re: Rick Olsen - Kirkwood, IL. in reply to SouthDakota-IH-Rebuilder, 11-13-2006 11:37:07  
Hello...? I didn't buy the tractor to junk it. I bought it to rebuild because Mr. Olson assured me that the tractor was just leaking compression out the side of the head gasket. I'm not a tractor scrap man.
As far as knowing that a head gasket often leads to water in the oil... THAT IS WHY I ASKED HIM ABOUT THE WATER IN THE OIL!
My point was and is that he did not tell me the truth. I called him first to talk about it. I never demanded he return my money. I didn't holler, yell, or threaten him. I just thought that perhaps he might want the opportunity to straighten it out, clarify, or even just apologize. Instead, he just flat out told me that he never checked the oil even though he said it was fine before.

Also, since you bring it up, parting isn't as easy as you would like to make it out to be. You see, I also asked if there were any breaks, welds, or repairs. He, of course, told me no. The front bolster has torch track in the cast, the front clip was held on with wire, and the fast hitch was broken and/or welded in at least 3 or 4 places. Now... none of these things was detectable in his pictures so I didn't know about them until I got there. The only one I noticed at the time was the fast hitch but thought, I can live with that. I'll find parts." Further, when dealing on the tractor, I saw that it didn't have all the tin so I asked if he had the rest of it. He said,"Yeah, I do. I'll round it up." After the tractor was already loaded and he had my check, he tells me that he DOESN'T have the tin.
So, you see, the water in the oil was just the final straw. It, of all, was the most outright lie. Shoot - he's the one that told me he lied to me. I could have (and apparently should have) called the deal off with any of the other items but I had just driven two or three hundred miles and so I told myself that I could still make it work.
I'll tell you the same thing I told the other guy...
If you think it's such a smoking hot deal, come get it...and bring cash!
-Tom

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135 fan

11-13-2006 12:29:43




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 Re: Rick Olsen - Kirkwood, IL. in reply to SouthDakota-IH-Rebuilder, 11-13-2006 11:37:07  
If Mr. Olson is such a good mechanic. He would have known the water had to go somewhere. Also why didn't he fix it and sell it for a lot more money. Don't you think with his long IH mechanics experience he would have at least expected that the engine needed major work? That's why he sold it? He out right lied and admitted it! Why should you have to question an experienced mechanics "honest" opinion? I see you're a partsman. Do people get upset when you give them the wrong part? and even more when you have the same attitude as you do on here? Judging by your post it sounds like it's a common occurence. Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt! The difference between a good partsman and a bad one is called customer service! and by your attitude it sounds like you are very lacking in this area. There isn't much difference in the tractor purchase. The tractor was mis-represented in this case. Price had nothing to do with it. Dave

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Farmalltom

11-12-2006 12:36:16




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 Re: Rick Olsen - Kirkwood, IL. in reply to 135 Fan, 11-12-2006 10:36:48  
Ah, finally the voice of reason...
I tell you, after this I am hesitant to even leave any kind of feedback. You try to straighten things out with the seller and when he is inflexible, you leave appropriate feedback. To me, appropriate feedback constitutes telling others exactly what happened. I am not making accusations and I don't hurl names and insults at others. You would think that other people would be glad to at least have a "heads up" about a possible problem.
It seems significant to note that Mr. Olson, himself, did not or could not deny what I said. He just told what I paid for the tractor as if that somehow justified his action(s). I don't think he is a thief... I think that he was probably just irresponsible and it came back to bite him.. or in this case, me.

Tom

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135 Fan

11-12-2006 23:21:38




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 Re: Rick Olsen - Kirkwood, IL. in reply to Farmalltom, 11-12-2006 12:36:16  
There are a few people on here that really get bent out of shape over simple matters. I've got a friend [former] who wanted to buy my garden tractor. I dropped it off at his place in March. He said he would pay for it when he got his income tax. Then when he got his pay cheque. He finally told me to come at the end of July. I was busy and went a week later. Now he says him and his three brothers, who all work and make good money, will loose the inherited farm if the taxes aren't paid. It's the same story every year. He tells me he can't pay me for the tractor [$1350] yet him and his brothers used it for close to 5 months and even broke the cable that shuts the blades off. All together they probably cut about an acre or more every week. I trusted him and should have known better. Some people are just plain cheap and have no morales or integrity. I'm glad there is a forum where these people can be exposed. If they had any conscience, they would try to make it right. It sucks being stung for taking someones word. The sad thing is I'll probably do it again just because I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. I think it will eventually catch up to them. Lets hope. Dave

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NebraskaFarmer35

11-13-2006 14:21:23




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 Re: Rick Olsen - Kirkwood, IL. in reply to 135 Fan, 11-12-2006 23:21:38  
to tractor tom and 135man,are you that bored honestly,id hate to see it if someone really burnt you.the only people lying are you 135 man and farmalltom,like they said,get a life,and get off of here,ill bet your both divorced,no-money,and drunks,I have to agree with the others,you guys are a joke,laughing in nebraska



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Farmalltom

11-13-2006 17:38:56




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 Re: Rick Olsen - Kirkwood, IL. in reply to NebraskaFarmer35, 11-13-2006 14:21:23  
It's always interesting to me to see how foolish someone is willing to make himself out to be by hurling insults and personal attacks at someone he doesn't even know... This is especially true when the person he attacks was originally endeavoring only to be helpful to others.
You only make a fool of yourself when you insult others with no reason. You don't even know who I am. We may have done business before and here you are criticizing me for trying to help you. (and others)
As a matter of point, Sir, I am married, I'm an electrician, I make over $30/hr., I don't drink, I farm and operate a small business on the side. In addition, I ALSO know how to spell and punctuate sentences. As a general rule, you may want to begin with a capital letter and end with a period. Also.. it's, "you're both..", not "your both.."

Grow up and don't interject yourself and your infantile behavior into things that don't concern you.
-Tom

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135 fan

11-13-2006 18:01:03




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 Re: Rick Olsen - Kirkwood, IL. in reply to Farmalltom, 11-13-2006 17:38:56  
Well said Tom. Maybe the comical posts on here are worth the price of the tractor. Dave



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135Fan

11-13-2006 16:34:10




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 Re: Rick Olsen - Kirkwood, IL. in reply to NebraskaFarmer35, 11-13-2006 14:21:23  
I just got turned down from a $27/hr. job because I was over qualified and they thought I would need well over $30/hr. I made enough money to take some time off. As for you, Congradulations! You have just opened your mouth and most assuredly removed all doubt! Do I have to spell it out for you? It starts with F and rhymes with tool. Take a look in the mirror. You'll see one. The jokes on you. Now Tom and I have something to laugh at. You can't even give a heads up to help other people without someone questioning it. Dave

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