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Buyer and Seller Feedback - Ronald Ryan Lind (Lind Farms)

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Kruger Implemen

12-24-2007 06:40:10




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I recently sold a pair of New 12.4x36 Tires and Tubes mounted on Factory Flat Spokes for a B JD to Ron/Ryan Lind. I sold them as one wheel having a weld repair, the other had a crack on the center hub, I sold them still on the tractor, Once I took them off to have them picked up, The cracked wheel had 3 cracks instead of 1, other two werent noticeable because they were behind the collar. Anyway, they arrive at the Linds and they werent happy about the other 2 cracks. They wanted $300 back of the $600 they paid for them. I told them that they barely bought the tires alone and practically got the wheels free. I then said I would price a new set of tires and refund them the differance. So if a new set cost $500, I would refund them $100, That didnt make them happy and after bitter emails back and forth, I finally said I would refund them in full $600 if they sent them back to me, just as any eBay seller does, Refunds are in full minus returning shipping, So am I in the wrong? I think my feedback speaks for itself on eBay with over 4000+ transactions. Let me know your thoughts

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Ten-Twenty

12-28-2007 07:32:16




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 Re: Ronald Ryan Lind (Lind Farms) in reply to Kruger Implement, 12-24-2007 06:40:10  
Sounds like this disagreement needs to be settled by eBay. In perfect hindsight, Harlan should never have shipped the merchandise after discovering the two additional cracks w/o first running the discovery by the buyer. However, it sounds like the buyer thought he got a real bargain (and was not bothered by that) and then was disappointed to find the bargain was not as great as he thought. Did the buyer expect to not have to repair the crack that he was already aware of? I drove down to Harlan's place a few years ago to look at a pair of Dubuque wavy flange rims. They were not perfect and we agreed on a price that worked for both of us. Let's face it, you are taking a risk when you buy something without seeing it in person. Sometimes when you take a risk you lose (that's why they call it a "risk"). Bottom line, it sounds like there is shared blame here. However, the personal attacks by persons not involved in this issue are not all that attractive and have no place on this forum.

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Deerevalley

12-28-2007 18:13:47




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 Re: Ronald Ryan Lind (Lind Farms) in reply to Ten-Twenty, 12-28-2007 07:32:16  
This issue in being dealt with in paypal. I put in the claim before I knew Harlan posted here. IT IS still being investiagated by paypal. So Harlan's posting must have had other intentions...

Bargain? I paid $620 (not $600) plus $145 shipping. If that sounds like a bargain to you, I will sell them to you at that cost, no problems. Also the other hub is different and is welded.

Lastly, if you look below, I have always been willing to take 1/3 of the cost of the repair. (Hence, yes I was going to repair the one broken tab in the auction...)

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Jerry F

12-26-2007 10:13:08




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 Re: Ronald Ryan Lind (Lind Farms) in reply to Kruger Implement, 12-24-2007 06:40:10  
The way I see it, this all could have been prevented if when you took the wheels off and you discovered the extra damage, you contacted buyer with update and picture and asked if he wanted out of the deal or renegotiate it. You should not have shipped it knowing it was worse than represented.
If you did that and I missed it somewhere, then nevermind.
About your offer to refund 100 bucks cause new tires cost 500 is not right. Auctions dont work that way. You sold the whole package for 600 with wheels represented a certain way. You cant turn around then and say ,well the tires would have cost you 500 elsewhere, so now he is paying full price for tires he could have got elsewhere?
bottom line in my opinion is ,"IF" you didnt disclose the unknown damage before you shipped them off you should be willing to send them back the cost of the repairs at the very least.

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Deerevalley

12-26-2007 14:33:20




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 Re: Ronald Ryan Lind (Lind Farms) in reply to Jerry F, 12-26-2007 10:13:08  
Thank you, that is the way we saw it and what happened. He never told us before shipment that they were busted.

Can somebody shed light on to this why Kruger would post about this? I thought buyer feedback was for buyers that did not pay and sellers that did not represent the item correctly.



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RUNDEERE

12-26-2007 23:30:37




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 Re: Ronald Ryan Lind (Lind Farms) in reply to Deerevalley, 12-26-2007 14:33:20  
RYAN LIND HAS A VERY NICE COLLECTION OF ORIGINAL TRACTORS.I HAVE SEEN ALOT OF THERE TRACTORS.AS FOR KRUGER..I DID BUY A TRACTOR FROM HIM A COUPLE YEARS AGO..VERY BAD DEAL.DID NOT RUN,BAD RIMS,MANIFOLDS BUSTED.TRIED TO GET A LITTLE REFUND AND THE EXCUSES STARTED FLOWING.HES JUST A LITTLE YOUNG PUNK TRING TO BE IN A MANS WORLD.YES YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE THE EBAY NAMES THAT BUY HIS TRACTORS BACK.SOMETIMES YOU SEE THE TRACTORS THAT HAVE SOLD IN THE BACK GROUND OF ANOTHER TRACTOR THAT HE IS TRING TO SELL TO BUY A NEW HOUSE OR A NEW TRUCK.HE NEEDS TO SELL A TRACTOR TO GET A FACE LIFT,ONE UGLY BOY.

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JDTractorABGH

12-26-2007 09:23:32




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 Re: Ronald Ryan Lind (Lind Farms) in reply to Kruger Implement, 12-24-2007 06:40:10  
Ryan Lind Is well known for being a crybaby when buying somthing. I have heard there bad on Parts and tractors. They think they have such a great collection but infact its mostly junk like what they buy!! His old man is a first case fruit cake and he also has alleast one brother so watch out for them. As for the krugers go just watch what you buy! If you look at his feedback on ebay its not 99.9 or 99.8 like many sellers its much much less.

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Deerevalley

12-26-2007 10:04:25




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 Re: Ronald Ryan Lind (Lind Farms) in reply to JDTractorABGH, 12-26-2007 09:23:32  
I beleive this is Ralph Thatch from Batesville, Ar. He sold us a "good running" 630 last year when in realty both pistons were busted and a parts tractor that he flipped over after it was paid for. Yet I never posted here about him, we wrote it off as a loss. He still owes us a generator and back rim which was included in the two tractor deal. And he agree to give $300 back which we never received. If it is not you, who are you, you have never posted here before? We seldom sell tractors or parts, only buy.

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JDTractorABGH

12-26-2007 11:48:04




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 Re: Ronald Ryan Lind (Lind Farms) in reply to Deerevalley, 12-26-2007 10:04:25  
Wow Your Smarter than I thought!! BUT STILL A IDIOT!



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Deerevalley

12-26-2007 15:09:13




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 Re: Ronald Ryan Lind (Lind Farms) in reply to JDTractorABGH, 12-26-2007 11:48:04  
Who have you talked that has had trouble with us? By the way, how would you know we just have junk in our collection since you have never been to our place?



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JDTractorABGH

12-28-2007 17:16:09




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 Re: Ronald Ryan Lind (Lind Farms) in reply to Deerevalley, 12-26-2007 15:09:13  
Oh Harlen told me the truth about you no good for nothing SOB! Good luck on a refund.



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Kruger Implement

12-28-2007 17:55:50




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 Re: Ronald Ryan Lind (Lind Farms) in reply to JDTractorABGH, 12-28-2007 17:16:09  
I didnt tell anybody nothing, about anybody. Yes, there was an issue between Lind Farms and I, Im sure it will be resolved without any further issues. Im willing to grant the $200 they wanted. But I DID NOT tell anybody anything about anyone. I thought this subject was dropped, and im willing to make it right with Linds, Subject Closed or not?



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Deerevalley

12-28-2007 17:52:22




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 Re: Ronald Ryan Lind (Lind Farms) in reply to JDTractorABGH, 12-28-2007 17:16:09  
Truth about what? We have never sold you, Ralph, or Harlan any parts or tractors. So how do you "know" we only sell bad parts and bad tractors? Why are you bad mouthing us? We paid you and got a bad tractor and a parts tractor that YOU flipped over after it was paid for. Four last questions:
1. If I have a "history" of being crybaby buyer, why did you sell to me?
2. If Harlan told you the "truth" why didn't he post it here? 3. Why would Harlan talk to you after you posted what you posted above about him?
4. Why would you comment about Harlan's feedback when krandrt only has 98.4% on eBay now???

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TWL

12-24-2007 20:31:32




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 Re: Ronald Ryan Lind (Lind Farms) in reply to Kruger Implement, 12-24-2007 06:40:10  
I think you should make it right.The rims were not what you said they were.
It"s all about the all mighty dollar and what your word is worth.



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Kruger Implement

12-25-2007 09:43:44




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 Re: Ronald Ryan Lind (Lind Farms) in reply to TWL, 12-24-2007 20:31:32  
If offering what you wanted for a refund is so bad, how am I the bad guy? I said fine if you want the $200 back, i will give the $200 back or you send the wheels back to me and I will refund your purchase price minus return shipping just as any other seller would do. Im not out to "screw" anyone over, and you mention the gentleman that bought the 620 with the cracked pto casting, I refunded him money on it and he said he will be withdrawing the feedback and is now happy with the transaction, As far as the cylinder goes, it did have a hairline crack, and I let him know before I shipped it, If you would like, I can relisted as a cracked one, Its not that I wanted more for it, as most of you know my auctions all start at $9.99 for parts and toys and they sell regardless of price. Im sorry that this deal on the wheels has come down to the point of such bitterness, it wasnt my intention, I guess we all get defensive when personal attacks are thrown from either side of the deal. Ronald/Ryan Lind will get the $200 they wanted, I dont have a problem with it. again if im such a crook why do I have one of the highest feedback ratings on eBay for people that sell used parts? I dont use Gods name to help promote my auctions, or help get higher prices, I used John 3:16 as a witness thinking of how many people see my listings its a good way to spread the word. If people have a problem with that, then its on their on shoulders not mine. Again, this whole transaction with Lind Farms has been blow out of proportion, and Im very sorry that it has become what it has, If anyone out there thinks im just the biggest crook there is, again check my feedback under kruggiemonster on eBay. I beg to differ with you.

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Aaron S

12-30-2007 07:27:52




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 Re: Ronald Ryan Lind (Lind Farms) in reply to Kruger Implement, 12-25-2007 09:43:44  
Harlan did offer to refund half the price of the broken casting. Am I happy?? Not really but he was willing to work with me. He told me thst there were no surprises. Well the PTO housing was just one of a few surprises. quote "Let's face it, you are taking a risk when you buy something without seeing it in person. Sometimes when you take a risk you lose (that's why they call it a "risk")". I have to disagree with this. When buying a tractor or part you should not have to worry whether the seller is being honest or not. I have bought many tractors and parts over the years and there was only 2 times when I was disappointed, this being one of them. No offense to you Harlan, but I will never deal with you again. There are to many honest people out there selling Tractors and parts and I don't want the "risk". All I can say is that if it is at all possible, Check the tractor or parts out in person before paying. I will be removing the negative feedback since that was part of the deal for refunding the money and I am going to stand behind my word. Good luck, Aaron

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DaveS

12-26-2007 15:43:33




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 Re: Ronald Ryan Lind (Lind Farms) in reply to Kruger Implement, 12-25-2007 09:43:44  
***and I will refund your purchase price minus return shipping just as any other seller would do.***

You should refund it all 100% including what he paid for shipping, AND pay for shipping the bad parts back to you. THAT would be the Christian thing to do, and you could then post John 3:16 on your ads with a clear conscience.



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Deerevalley

12-25-2007 13:49:31




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 Re: Ronald Ryan Lind (Lind Farms) in reply to Kruger Implement, 12-25-2007 09:43:44  
Yes you did blow this out of proportion. You should have never posted here. I did what a buyer was supposed to:
1. bid and won
2. sent money
3. arranged and paid for shipment
4. got broken item
5. emailed you with a REASONABLE solution after getting an estimate for repair
For doing this, all I got was your nasty name calling emails, critism of our tractors, and you posting here. Please explain why you needed to post here and try to damage our name. Everything you have done is libel, intent to damage a person's name. You could have posted the same question without our names. I hope people see what you are really for. Your ego is the biggest I have seen, if your not BRAGGING about your 4 tractors, you are talking about your less than perfect feedback on ebay. Will you also explain why 70jdbuyer bought your 70lp didnt pay and then went on to buy your A hi-crop and did not pay.

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Deerevalley

12-24-2007 15:03:25




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 Re: Ronald Ryan Lind (Lind Farms) in reply to Kruger Implement, 12-24-2007 06:40:10  
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Deerevalley

12-24-2007 14:48:35




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 Re: Ronald Ryan Lind (Lind Farms) in reply to Kruger Implement, 12-24-2007 06:40:10  
Here is a picture they are not cracked but broken completly off. All I want is a set of usable wheels. I think $200 is fair deal if it costs me $300+. How can people sell stuff before it is off and do not know what they are selling.
Why should I pay a total of $290 shipping just to get my money back?
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Ripped off too

12-24-2007 14:27:07




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 Re: Ronald Ryan Lind (Lind Farms) in reply to Kruger Implement, 12-24-2007 06:40:10  
i too had a bad deal with the Krugers. i bought, or thought i had bought, a pair of front wheels (rims only) for an early unstyled John Deere model G a few years back. paid through the nose for them because they were for an early G and i needed a pair (obviously)! if you know anything about the early unstyled G, the front rims were a special design, closed, special offset, etc. anyway, when the wheels arrived, they were NOT early G rims. when i questioned him on it, Kruger said "they came off an early G!" again, anyone who knows anything knows that just because a part came off a tractor does not make it original to that tractor. figured this guy would know his parts seeing he claimed to be a parts dealer. anyway, he refused to refund ANY money seeing the wheels were wrong and stood by his statement saying they had come off an early G. he tried to cover it by saying it was an honest mistake. i ended up selling the wheels to a guy who needed the wheels Kruger sent me but at a considerable loss. like i would take him to court for the difference. of course, if i had the money and time, i probably would have. i have since purchased items from Kruger on eBAY and i carefully inspect each item they list to insure it is what i want. if i have a question, i ask. all i have to add to this is 'what goes around, comes around!" someday they will get what they have been giving.

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clay493

12-24-2007 13:17:47




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 Re: Ronald Ryan Lind (Lind Farms) in reply to Kruger Implement, 12-24-2007 06:40:10  
hello i totally agree. why not decribe it correctly, it will be in front of you soon. BUT THIS IS WHAT THROWS PEOPLE. individuals selling items and using GOD to help the out and make you feel at ease to buy it with out many questions. any one that starts using GOD when they are selling or buying some thing is 75% going to try to throw you for a loop. i try to stay clear of these people even if i realy need it. thanks

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Deerevalley/ Ryan Lind

12-24-2007 18:01:55




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 Thanks for the support in reply to clay493, 12-24-2007 13:17:47  
I see other have been taken by Harlan or Harold Kruger.

I like how they started the thread on us and I fell into their trap of our name coming up instead of theirs on the replies, it makes us sound like we are bad people. I am not sure what I, Ryan Lind, did wrong. I paid them and got bad ususable wheels... Im not even sure how this is buyer feedback. I paid!!!!!

Have safe and great holidays.

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Deerevalley

12-24-2007 13:00:31




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 Re: Ronald Ryan Lind (Lind Farms) in reply to Kruger Implement, 12-24-2007 06:40:10  
Sorry this is a long post but very interesting if you click on the links to see what type of person Harlan truly is..

I bought it with one crack and all three were broken off Harlan. IT will not even go on the tractor there is nothing to hold it on. I have told you that the welding shop wants $200-$300 to fix it (nickel rods are $29 a pound now). I am willing to pay for the one that is broken and stated in the auction but you should pay for the other two, for a total of 2/3 of $300 is $200. Am I wrong to ask you for this? You sell wheels before you take them off and do not know what you have. You never said you would refund the $100 you state you did, post that email for me. You are lying.

Here is the auction.

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Please>Link take a look where it states that the hub is in good condition (in the question/answer section) and only one crack is stated, however they all three are broken off. What am I supposed to do with it but fix it, it is unusable as it is. He wants me to spend another $145 to send them back for his mistake for a total loss of $290 to me.

Also if you have not noticed, he has a tendency to bid on his own auctions with 70JDbuyer. Here is his own feedback to himself:

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If you go and look 70JDbuyer bought his A hi-crop in which he stated he still has in an email to me " And the A Hi Crop I wanted $18,000 for it, thats what I paid for it, It sold for $16,500" but yet it sold on eBay for $14,601..

Also look at his Kruggiemonster feedback to see he sold a tractor that had a crack in the casting too. And finally there is another one in which he just sold a cylinder for $27 and found another crack in the housing before he shipped it. I doubt there is a break in it, he just did not want to sell it that cheap.

Finally I would like to post a personal attack he made on me and my family.

"Im not sure why I should pay to have the tire removed and reinstalled, you honestly cant tell me that you would have restored the wheels and never taken the tires off of them ever. Maybe you dont take your restorations that far I guess. Its not real hard to show an 830 thats falling apart and barely running at expo so maybe I could see you not removing the tires from the wheels." and continued in another email "So your 830 is a Mexican Built, The shape it was in was embarrasing for expo, The seat was falling off, it barely ran, and I feel was a complete and total embarasement to the quality restorations that were there."

If you dont know us well, we took an Monterrey 830 to the expo, Jack Cherry approved it and wanted it there and yet Harlan wants to say stuff about it when he does not even wipe the dust off of his "restored" tractors there..... and his 60 hi-crop would not even run in the auction.

I will be posting a picture tonight or tomorrow of the busted wheel.
Have safe and great holidays.
email me if anybody has concerns..

Ryan

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Curt Cooke

12-24-2007 07:09:39




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 Re: Ronald Ryan Lind (Lind Farms) in reply to Kruger Implement, 12-24-2007 06:40:10  
I don't think that you're wrong. If I purchase something significant and I'm not happy with it or think that it was misrepresented I would hope to be able to send it back and retrieve the purchase price. Making a money settlement is way easier than shipping stuff back and forth but if the item isn't what I wanted, I ship it back. Getting some purchase price back is not going to remove the cracks. If the fellow can't live with cracks, he should send them back and start his search over.

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