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Barry Reid Stir

10-18-2002 11:38:01




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Hello First of all I want to thanks everyone who has responded to my many questions regarding my TEA-20 and the problems I have benn having lately with it. To give you all a brief history on what has happened to date. The tractor was working fine except for that odd miss in the motor as it was running. I decided that I could make this little gem pur like a kitten, so I changed all the plug wires, being careful not to mix up the wires as to what cylinder they go to, I would remove one and replace it then move onto the next one etc. I changed all my fluids, no problem she still ran good. I changed the battery cables, still it ran ok. Then I decided that heck that was no problem let me try the carb. BIG MISTAKE. I pulled the carb and was amazzed the amount of crap in there, so I cleaned it. Put it back on and it would run for a bit after being choked and then it would die out. Ok so i took the carb off again and this time took all the jets out and cleaned then. Put the carb back on and now still nothing. This weekend Im going to take all the electrical off and inspect every line start from there. I await your comments

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darik

10-22-2002 11:45:32




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 Re: More Carb Questions -- Again in reply to Barry Reid Stirling, Ontario, 10-18-2002 11:38:01  
Barry! I can save you a lot of time and money with your carb problem. First i'll tell you what to do then i'll tell why it works.
1) Take off you carb and soak it over night in a solution of 3 cups of cider vinegar and 1 cup of salt, then re-install the carb.

2) Here's what's happening, to save a chemistry lesson, these carbs were initially built for leaded gas which we all know what that does. But with out the lead in todays gas and the R.V.P. fluctuations commonly found at the "pump" today, you need to remove the micro enzyme build up that congests the small ports and venturi's found in those old carbs. This brine solution will scour those minute areas clean without the common degradation to carb alloys found in todays tougher hydro carbon products.
Not only is this good for your fergie, but it works on any carb designed for leaded gas. GOOD LUCK! Later Darik

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Bill MacPherson

10-19-2002 10:13:44




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 Re: More Carb Questions -- Again in reply to Barry Reid Stirling, Ontario, 10-18-2002 11:38:01  
Get that carb to a good Massey dealer , have them put in an overhaul kit , it will cost you , but it is money well spent . My old grey mare runs like a dream , quit totally after I did the wires , plugs , head gasket and THEN I cleaned the carb, a good dealer knows EXACTLY what to do and how to do it . Kits are available at most MF dealers---Bill



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steve barr

10-22-2002 09:59:47




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 Re: Re: More Carb Questions -- Again in reply to Bill MacPherson, 10-19-2002 10:13:44  
I am with the Ferguson Discussion Site Police.
You have just gone over the 4000 question limit for the site. All questions will now be answered with "RTFM" If you require an explanation for this term please contact Doug Crossen.

Love in Fergiedom

steve

ps: I just finished my semi restoration, She looks great and runs even better. Its amazing what happens when you "RTFM".



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Barry Reid , Stirling

10-23-2002 04:35:56




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 Re: Re: Re: More Carb Questions -- Again in reply to steve barr, 10-22-2002 09:59:47  
Steve
I do aploigize for asking to many questions, But I checked my records and its only been 3,997 questions asked to date. Now I know that this site is monitored by the Ferguson Police. If I go over the 4000 question limit what will my sentence be? RTFM????? ????? I shall, with your permission talk to the one that you call Doug Crossen. Who would this guy be? Could he be the answer to all my questions? Have a good day steve, and stay tuned to this site, I should be over the 4000 question limit by 8:30 this morning

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Gary F

10-19-2002 09:39:01




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 Re: More Carb Questions -- Again in reply to Barry Reid Stirling, Ontario, 10-18-2002 11:38:01  
Hi Barry are you sure that you are getting fuel INTO the carb? You could have sufficient flow to the carb but if the float needle is plugged you will not get any fuel into the bowl. There is a drain at the bottom of the carb it's a "T" shaped needle valve open it and check.



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James, UK

10-19-2002 08:32:07




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 Re: More Carb Questions -- Again in reply to Barry Reid Stirling, Ontario, 10-18-2002 11:38:01  
OK, having read the posts, I agree totally with the 'Leave the wires alone' approach. Concentrate on the carb. It is unlikely to be the air cleaner issue I first mentioned, as nothing there has changed. I'm intrigued by the posting reference the throttle valve spindle wear and air leaks there - not come across that one before.

I posted a reply a while ago to someone who was having trouble with their tractor 'popping back' through the carb - mine did that because of a TINY air leak on the carb to inlet manifold gasket - like you I'd tried to re-use the gasket. It is possible that you have a sufficiently large air leak there to - as another poster said - give you an impossibly lean mixture. I would check that gasket and either replace it or use another cut from a cereal packet, plus a dollop of gasket sealer, and do the nuts up tight and true.

If you put a steel ruler across the gasket face on the manifold and the top of the carb, are both faces flat - or are they bowed?? Bowed will cause you problems sealing, but it will look OK.

If your carb is clean and that's all that's changed since it last ran, and your jets are set to the minimum recommended for setting up (3 turns open from fully closed on the main jet at the bottom) then the thing should run.

Did you remove the brass main jet completely from within the carb body? If so, did you do it up tight when you replaced otherwise when you screwed the adjuster in, did the tapers lock, giving you no jet at all, and you're now only only winding a jammed jet assembly in and out?

Are your plugs getting wet with fuel? If so then that's a whole new issue - and it isn't lean!! If they are dry, cheat and pour one teaspoon of fuel down each cylinder, replace the plugs, and see if she'll fire then. If they are wet, put them in a hot oven for 15 minutes (50 degrees C will do fine - but don't go hotter as it gets risky with the fuel already in the bores) and then replace them in the tractor. Using oven gloves is good. Then try to start.

Good luck.

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Norm

10-18-2002 20:59:38




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 Re: More Carb Questions -- Again in reply to Barry Reid Stirling, Ontario, 10-18-2002 11:38:01  
Another thing, in the other posts Glen made a very good point on the choke shaft issue. It could after thorough cleaning get somewhat loosened to the point of leaning drastically or sucking too much air. Wiggle and inspect this shaft to see if any play exists. On mine it was worn with a bit of play so I put in a gasket like washer before tightening the nut. I tell you my Massey dealer told me there was many carb rebuilds that went awry just because of that.

Over and out.

Norm in Ont.

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Norm in Ont.

10-18-2002 20:51:44




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 Re: More Carb Questions -- Again in reply to Barry Reid Stirling, Ontario, 10-18-2002 11:38:01  
Barry, Very much agreeing with Ray on this one. I had to remove carb up to 4 times on mine to get it purring. But let's concentrate with yours and get it going and don't despair unless you have 200 acres to plow before frost. :)
Just post here and we'll assist you all the way.
Now let's treat this like a crime scene. You may have to repeat some facts but as you know the devil is in the details.

You had mentionned one thing that I took notice saying that your gasket seemed ok to reuse. Do you have a new one? It could be potentially the culprit especially if the bolts are not tightened equally. For hopefully one last time for you, dismantle carb completely again and buy some carb cleaner and let it soak overnight in the solution completely submerged. Then using compressed air, dry it out in all the small holes where orifices were and even use a small pin to poke these holes to ascertain they are free of dirt.
Then you can start assembling in a very clean area making sure that the float is set properly by looking where it ends up when needle is closed. At that point the float should be parallel to the top of carb casing which is the same as if bowl was full of gas. Reassemble remaining components and report back here.

Good Luck my friend.

Norm in Embrun Ont.

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Ray,IN

10-18-2002 19:41:35




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 Re: More Carb Questions -- Again in reply to Barry Reid Stirling, Ontario, 10-18-2002 11:38:01  
If your tractor was running after you installed the plug wires and only stopped after "working on your carb"; I'd concentrate on the carb and leave the wiring alone. You don't need to create two problems at once.



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