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Barry Reid Stir

11-25-2002 04:26:10




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Good Morning Everyone, well after spending 2 weeks in the back woods of Ontario Hunting I finally got some time to again look at my tractor ( TEA-20 ) and the ongoing Carb problem. I took the carb off before I went hunting and cleaned every part I could. Re-assembled it and tried to start the darn thing. I would choke it a bit , just like before and it would run for about 10 seconds. So I think my next step would be to order a carb kit, take the carb off one more time and get it to a dealer , have them clean the carb and set it to the correct settings and then put it back on. I tried to set the carb according to the manual and still nothing. Yes STEVE I read the manual this time. I will keep you updated. When I removed the carb the 1st time the gaskets looked in great shape. But having never cleaned a carb before, I likely missed something. Whats this about the 957th post about my carb problems? I promise I wont ask more than a 1000 questions , I dont want to get kicked off this site. ( laughing@myself ) have a great day everyone

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Brandon Mass.

01-05-2003 05:47:13




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 Re: Carb Problems -----STILL in reply to Barry Reid Stirling, Ontraio, 11-25-2002 04:26:10  
I have a 1968? suburban 12 HP tractor. When I first got it,it would only run with the choke half on and if you would give it any gas the engien would blow black smoke and die out. I cleaned the carb so now it will run without the choke but if you still give it gas it blows black smoke and dies out. Any suggestions?



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rod

11-28-2002 17:16:00




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 Re: Carb Problems -----STILL in reply to Barry Reid Stirling, Ontraio, 11-25-2002 04:26:10  

The biggest problem with the Fergusons is dirt in the tank. What seems like a good fuel flow may not be enough to run the tractor. I would first rule out the tank, sediment bowl and screens and if I had to I would run gas from a gallon jug in just to make sure it had lots. IF it still won't work then go to the carb. A spray of ether in the intake should start it right up.
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rod

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marlowe

11-25-2002 17:47:40




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 Re: Carb Problems -----STILL in reply to Barry Reid Stirling, Ontraio, 11-25-2002 04:26:10  
BARREY not that your carb. is not important BUT HOW WAS HUNTING????? ?and what were you after??want to hunt in canada but your dum gun laws are a pain. thanks



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Barry Reid stirling, Ontario

11-26-2002 04:08:45




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 Re: Re: Carb Problems -----STILL in reply to marlowe , 11-25-2002 17:47:40  
Hi Marlow
I was Hunting Deer We have 2 weeks up here so the 1st week I spent around home, its the better of the 2 weeks because I can use a rifle. I managed to bag 1 that week. The second week was at a camp and it is in an area where you can only use a shot gun. I bagged 2 more that week. I seen 37 deer in 2 days. All in all I had a great 2 weeks. Yes our gun laws suck. have a great day



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marlowe

11-26-2002 06:59:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Carb Problems -----STILL in reply to Barry Reid stirling, Ontario, 11-26-2002 04:08:45  
thanks barry. we want to come up next year and hunt carabo at radison we did this two years ago and it was great but a long drive 28hr. stright.thanks



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Don

11-25-2002 12:28:58




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 Re: Carb Problems -----STILL in reply to Barry Reid Stirling, Ontraio, 11-25-2002 04:26:10  
Does it have a TVO conversion - Tvo could be leaking past the fuel tap, otherwise it sounds a bit like fuel starvation or wrong mixture. Check the plugs, if they are sooty, it is too rich mixture. Try cleaning them or replacing. Make sure you dont have old fuel in the tank or contaminated with condensation or dirt. I also found with mine that if you altered the throttle setting it could interfere with the choke as there is a crude `auto` feature as part of the linkage behind the carb. (Standard Motor Company engine and Zenith 24T2 carb.)

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Barry Reid, Stirling Ontario

11-28-2002 06:44:59




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 Re: Re: Carb Problems -----STILL in reply to Don, 11-25-2002 12:28:58  
Hi Don

Please excuse me for not knowing this. But what is a TVO Conversion. Remember , Im still learning about these great old tractors. Thanks in advance ,, Barry



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James, UK

11-29-2002 12:20:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Carb Problems -----STILL in reply to Barry Reid, Stirling Ontario, 11-28-2002 06:44:59  
Ah Ha,

OK, if yours is a TVO type tractor, your fuel switch/lever will have TWO positions, one pointing towards the rear of the tractor (top of switch this is) and one towards the front. Your fuel tank will have two filler caps - one for the large front tank (TVO), and one for the smaller rear tank (petrol).

You use this smaller tank to start the tractor and run it until it's warm, then change over to the TVO mix in the bigger tank. Then before you switch off, you need to change back to petrol for 2 minutes to make sure you start again on petrol. WHY? because TVO (mix of kerosene, petrol and two-stroke oil) will only fire the engine when the engine is hot. IT WILL NOT START ON TVO IF THE ENGINE IS COLD - so if there is any TVO in the carb, you need to drain it off using the screw tap on the bottom front of the carb. Put what you drain off into a glass jar, and then add it straight back into the larger fuel tank. Don't smoke while you do this.

So, what Im trying to say is that you need to make sure that you are only trying to start the tractor on petrol - NOT TVO. Fill the smaller one (if you have one) with petrol ONLY. Drain the carb completely to petrol only also.

Then try to start it when you have cleaned and dried the spark plugs. The trouble with TVO is that it will only ignite with a spark if the engine is hot - so your problem may be that you are trying to start it on TVO only.

Simplest if you have two tanks is to drain em both (we pay US dollars 1.20 per litre now so we don't usually do this - see why they took our guns away??) and refill with petrol only.

if you're trying to start on straight TVO, it may cough and splutter for a few seconds, but it certainly won't run.

It's worth checking - don't rely on the smell of what's in the tanks. Change it.

If you don't have two tanks, drain and refill anyway - be sure that what is in there is petrol, not some cruddy old stuff.

Good luck. I'll check back on the board tomorrow my time to see if you've had any luck starting.

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James, UK

11-25-2002 05:21:54




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 Re: Carb Problems -----STILL in reply to Barry Reid Stirling, Ontraio, 11-25-2002 04:26:10  
Welcome back Barry!

OK, let's do this in easy, bite sized chunks. Long distance fault finding can take a while!!

Can you get it to keep running if you leave the choke out? If no, suspect fuel starvation - check fuel flow, float level, etc. If yes, then

Will it continue running if you open the throttle before putting the choke back in? If yes, reset your throttle stop (on the top rear of the carb next to the block) on the butterfly valve to increase your tickover speed (i.e. screw it in), and then work from there. If no

You have an air leak somewhere, or the mixture is still wrong (too weak or not enough fuel flow to the carb, or float level too low or manifold gasket leaking)

Another thing, if you disconnect the HT coil completely on the low tension side, and turn the engine over with full choke after it has just died on you - do the plugs get wet? If so, fuel supply is probably not the problem.

Try this for a start (no pun intended, honest).

Between us all, we'll get there.

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Jim W

11-25-2002 05:06:36




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 Re: Carb Problems -----STILL in reply to Barry Reid Stirling, Ontraio, 11-25-2002 04:26:10  
Do you know anyone in your area with a running TEA20? It might be a good idea to borrow their carb and see if your problem goes away. I know you've been through everything else but now I am wondering if maybe it is not carb related after all.
How about rust flakes in the gas tank?
Jim



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darik

11-25-2002 16:32:33




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 Re: Re: Carb Problems -----STILL in reply to Jim W, 11-25-2002 05:06:36  
Barry why didn't you try my last bit of advice. It's cheap and quick. Maybe if you were in the woods for a few weeks you missed it.As we know, these carbs were designed for leaded gas ,and we all know what that means.Unleaded gas leaves deposits of micro enzymes in all areas of the carb causing relatively large obstructions in the minute areas of the carb. I have a fix for you that is not only quick, but it's easy.Take off your carb and soak it in a mild solution of 3 cups of cider vinegar and 1 cup of salt. this mild "brine" solution will safely scour all areas of the carb without causing the common degradation found when using todays common cleaners designed for todays complex carb alloys This little tip is not only good for your old fergie, but any carb built for leaded gas. Good luck Mr. B.R.

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Duner Wi

11-25-2002 18:52:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Carb Problems -----STILL in reply to darik, 11-25-2002 16:32:33  
After you have soaked carb in "brine" blow smoke thru all the passages. If you can't manage smoke use brake clean with the wand. Wear Glasses.



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darik

11-27-2002 08:24:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Carb Problems -----STILL in reply to Duner Wi, 11-25-2002 18:52:37  
I think I note a hint of sarcasm in your message dooner (I'll get it right dooner or later) Have you tried this yet? It WORKS, and I found out through a metalurgist who has his PHD in metalurgy. Barry if you read this, TRY IT by the geese some of these simple, back home remedies are the best. DAR!



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darik

11-27-2002 08:23:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Carb Problems -----STILL in reply to Duner Wi, 11-25-2002 18:52:37  
I think I note a hint of sarcasm in your message dooner (I'll get it right dooner or later) Have you tried this yet? It WORKS, and I found out through a metalurgist who has his PHD in metalurgy. Barry if you read this, TRY IT by the geese some of these simple, back home remedies are the best. DAR!



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darik

11-27-2002 08:22:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Carb Problems -----STILL in reply to Duner Wi, 11-25-2002 18:52:37  
I think I note a hint of sarcasm in your message dooner (I'll get it right dooner or later) Have you tried this yet? It WORKS, and I found out through a metalurgist who has his PHD in metalurgy. Barry if you read this, TRY IT by the geese some of these simple, back home remedies are the best. DAR!



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Duner

11-27-2002 19:07:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Carb Problems -----STILL in reply to darik, 11-27-2002 08:22:44  
I don't doubt you method works , what ever method I use I like to be sure the passages are clear. Saves monkey business in the end to know for certain the passages are clear. Have a happy turkey.



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