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20 85 oil pump ?

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glen/ Ontario

02-23-2003 07:15:30




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Inside the oil pump the outside gear should fit tight yes or no ?




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James, UK

02-24-2003 02:16:01




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 Re: 20 85 oil pump ? in reply to glen/ Ontario, 02-23-2003 07:15:30  
Funnily enough, where I work we make lube oil pumps, and other sorts, too.

The outer rotor should be a nice easy fit on the diameter, but not sloppy. More important is the head clearance, in other words the 'slack' or play you have over the width of the rotors. Too much head clearance will dramatically reduce the efficiency of the pump. You may be able to use shims to reduce head clearance to as little as possible without the pump getting tight.

Around a thousandth of an inch should be OK, but be careful.

If there is too much clearance, you create a leak path within the pump, and if there is too little, you chew the shims and spread chewed material through the oilways in the engine - expensive.

Hope this helps. You can get new rotor pair from several suppliers here in the UK, they can post to you.

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glen Ontario

02-24-2003 16:15:43




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 Re: Re: 20 85 oil pump ? in reply to James, UK, 02-24-2003 02:16:01  
Thanks James The old outside gear was cracked down the middel and I had to use a punch to pound it out ,I have a replacement kit from vapomatic ,it fits like you said and turns freely but feels kind tight at one part of the rotation is this just natural gear mesh and break in on its own ?



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James, UK

02-25-2003 00:28:42




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 Re: Re: Re: 20 85 oil pump ? in reply to glen Ontario, 02-24-2003 16:15:43  
If it's only tight at one part of the rotation, take the pair of rotors out, and check all the tooth profiles visually for any nicks or burrs, especially on the tips of the rotors, as it sounds like you may have a slight ding on one tooth. This is especially easy to happen if the rotors are steel.

If you mesh the two rotors and roll the outer rotor round the inner rotor in your fingers, you will be able to identify more easily which tooth pair is causing the problem.

If there is a ding, try polishing it out with a carborundum stone - or a finishing file (if the rotor is metal and not a sintered material which will be too hard to file) - or take it back and ask for a replacement, before you invalidate any warranty.

Also check the inside of the pump body for any foreign material, as this can cause the same symptom. Clean it thoroughly.

The risk of 'letting it all bed in' is that the pump may sieze while running, with potentially disastrous results. The final assembly must be free running, with no contamination, and no tight spots.

You are replacing both rotors aren't you? They run as a matched pair, so don't try to replace only the one that was cracked - you must replace the inner and outer pair together.

Natural gear mesh should be as smooth as silk, with no tight spots, no grittiness, and no noise during the complete rotation.

Hope this helps.

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glen Ontario

02-25-2003 14:54:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 20 85 oil pump ? in reply to James, UK, 02-25-2003 00:28:42  
Thanks again I am replaceing both gears I will check them very close ,this is not the time to get hasty and make a mistake good oil pressure is my goal on this rebuild this is my second atemped at rebuilding this motor ,the first time I made a lot of mistakes but Iam learning and having fun



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James, UK

02-26-2003 03:17:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 20 85 oil pump ? in reply to glen Ontario, 02-25-2003 14:54:13  
Good oil pressure is in the eye of the beholder! The gauge is not really accurate at all, so over here to check the pressure we slacken off the union that connects to the gauge line, and see what the pressure/flow is like when the engine is hot and running at a tickover.

If you get a spray of oil, don't worry what the gauge says. With modern engine oils, the additives reduce wear to an acceptable level.

I have come across people who have had an instant 15psi increase in oil pressure just from changing the gauge.

Good luck in your rebuild, it sounds like you are doing a thorough job of it. The rear cam journal is a favourite for wearing and causing pressure to drop.

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