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1948 TEO-20, intermittent back firing and rough running

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Wayne K.

04-02-2003 10:45:50




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My 1948 TEO-20 Ferguson Tractor will intermittently run rough and back fire for 10-20 minutes and then run smooth for 10-20 minutes. This is consistent when the trackor is hot or cold. Does anyone have a possible source of the problem.




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Kishore ZAR

04-03-2003 10:05:59




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 Re: 1948 TEO-20, intermittent back firing and rough running in reply to Wayne K., 04-02-2003 10:45:50  
I had a similar problem with my TED-20 Zenith Carburettor. The problem turned out to be a worn shaft that operates the throttle butterfly. Air was being sucked in due to the wear. I replaced the shaft and it ran fine. Try spraying some oil on both ends of the shaft while the tractor is idling and see if there is a change.



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Wayne K. (MI)

04-03-2003 04:19:53




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 Re: 1948 TEO-20, intermittent back firing and rough running in reply to Wayne K., 04-02-2003 10:45:50  
I have ran the gas out and refilled the gas tank, I also added dry gas and it still runs poorly. I will start the tractor in the dark and see if I see sparking at the wiring. About 6 months I did convert to 12v, I dont think that has any effect?
Would the carburetor float or dirt in the float chamber cause the problem?



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James, UK

04-03-2003 05:21:34




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 Re: Re: 1948 TEO-20, intermittent back firing and rough running in reply to Wayne K. (MI), 04-03-2003 04:19:53  
Assuming you changed your coil to a 12V one, no it shouldn't make any difference

If you have rust inside the fuel line, it will fall off and flow down to the carb, and either flow through or block the valve that is operated by the float. If it is one large chunk of rust, yes it's possible that it might only clog the flow every once in a while. Best thing to do would be to remove the float valve from the carb and clean it - and replace the fuel line if it looks like this could be the problem.

Generally, though, you tend to get flooding if this is the problem as the lump of rust stops the float from shutting the fuel flow off.

The float can stick in the chamber - but again it doesn't usually do this at the top, so you tend to get flooding rather than starvation.

If you have the carb that is not a Zenith, check that the little flap of brass that shuts the fuel valve off is free to move, and not sticking shut sometimes.

To check the flow, if your carb has a drain valve, undo it, and check you get full flow for at least two minutes. Try this especially after the tractor has started to misbehave, and check your result against when it is behaving properly.

If you have consistent good flow, it would point to Phil's theory on wiring. You need to eliminate one potential problem at a time . . .so be patient.

Well, it's some stuff to check, anyway. Good luck.

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James, UK

04-03-2003 00:58:35




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 Re: 1948 TEO-20, intermittent back firing and rough running in reply to Wayne K., 04-02-2003 10:45:50  
Thoughts:-

If its backfiring when cold, then at least you still have a source of ignition (spark) so I would also lean (no pun intended) towards a fuel problem.

If it backfired only when hot, and just plain stopped when cold, then it could be a wiring problem.

Only investigation will prove one way or the other.



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Phil (VA)

04-02-2003 13:03:41




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 Re: 1948 TEO-20, intermittent back firing and rough running in reply to Wayne K., 04-02-2003 10:45:50  
By process of elimination try to determine if electrical or fuel. It is probably either a bad wire or loose electrical connection, or perhaps trash in your fuel tank which intermittantly clogs a filter in the fuel line. I would start looking on the electrical side first. If it were not intermittant, I might suspect ignition timing, but since it is intermittant, I'm guessing a loose or bad wire. Look at it running in pitch black dark and see if you see any spark anywhere. To check the fuel line, when it does it next time, pull the line from the carb and see if it flows strong (and check the filter at the carb inlet elbow too).

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Ray,IN

04-02-2003 18:52:01




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 Re: Re: 1948 TEO-20, intermittent back firing and rough running in reply to Phil (VA), 04-02-2003 13:03:41  
I vote for a fuel problem, water in fuel and/or dirt and rust in the system.



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