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Mark Andrews

05-24-2003 03:51:31




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Update. I still don't have the Ferguson going. I tried jumping with a 12Volt and everything worked great except no spark (or at least it didn't start). I pulled the wire from the coil (above the starter)and held it a little ways away to see if I had a spark when I tried jumping it. Nothing. There are some wires that look like they have "melted" a bit on the solenoid and I'm wondering if I should just start replacing stuff till I find the problem. I just wonder the best place to start. If the solenoid has a bad connection, even when I turn on the key won't I still have trouble with no connection being made to the starter? i.e. I'm thinking all I'm doing by jumping it is running the starter with no actual current going further--possible? Geez, I feel like such a rookie. The thing that is the most puzzling is that the tractor was working right up until this problem developed. It's not like it was sitting in a barn for a year. I had parked it on a hill because the starting was so sluggish and that worked a couple times, but then nothing--and that's where I'm still at.
Lastly, what order do I start replacing stuff? My plan right now is:
solenoid
coil (looks like I remove the starter to get at the bolts)
plugs (just 'cause they're probably easiest)
wires
distributer & wiring
tractor-??

Thanks in advance, Mark.

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Mark Andrews

05-25-2003 05:22:50




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 Re: Ferguson T30 in reply to Mark Andrews, 05-24-2003 03:51:31  
Success!!!! That did it. Running a wire from the battery to the coil and jumping the starter at the same time with a 12 volt battery did it. Must be just a bad solenoid? Now, where do I get a replacement? Would a Fleet Farm or one of those places have one? One other question related to this. When I first did it, when I jumped the two, I didn't need to keep the connection to the coil after the engine started. The second time, I had to have it wired to keep it running. Could that damage anything? I'm wondering if, like one of you guys suggested that the solenoid bolt needed to be turned to make the proper connection and the first time it was set correctly. Does that make sense? Thanks again so much for your help. Mark

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Ray,IN

05-26-2003 21:41:37




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 Re: Re: Ferguson T30 in reply to Mark Andrews, 05-25-2003 05:22:50  
Carquest,NAPA, and MF dealers sell new solenoids. DO NOT overtighten the cable nuts on the solenoid, you'll turn the contact inside and ruin the insulation, thereby shorting out the unit and possibly ruining a cable and/or the battery. By needing to use the jumper wire to the coil that makes the points-to-coil wire suspect, I'd replace it(use automotive wire) also.



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Ray,IN

05-24-2003 20:53:50




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 Re: Ferguson T30 in reply to Mark Andrews, 05-24-2003 03:51:31  
My method of diagnosing this is: First insure you have a fully charged battery. Insure that the battery cables are good, clean,(do not use 12V cables, they will not carry sufficient current) and connected correctly. Using a VOM or DC continuity tester test each connection as you follow the path of electricity completly through the circuit from the battery through the switch, soleniod; then the distributor, coil, etc. I found my problem at the distributor; the wire from the points to the coil was shorted at the passage through the distributor housing. Frequently the old original wire is deteorated underneath the coating and looses continuity and a visual inspection will not help.If a solenoid is needed, Carquest, NAPA, and MF dealers sell them, if the cable attachment nuts are overtightened the contact turns and shorts out to the housing. Complete replacement wiring harnesses are available if needed. Hope this helps.

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phil(va)

05-24-2003 19:45:32




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 Re: Ferguson T30 in reply to Mark Andrews, 05-24-2003 03:51:31  
Dan had a good suggestion. For almost free and very easily you can jumper around the ignition switch with a short piece of wire and two alligator clips. Sometimes the ignition switch does go bad. (You did have it turned on didn't you?) Usually you can loosen the bracket for the coil and slide it out without removing the starter, although not always I admit. But having said that, the coil and ignition switch usually go bad when hot. In other words if it starts and then quits they are suspect. But no fire at all even when cold usually is not either of those items. It's not a plug or plug wire because it's not likely they'd all go at once. Could be points, or condensor (in distributor), or wire from coil to distributor. If tractor is positive ground the small wire from the coil to the distributor should be from the positive side of coil, and vice versa if negative ground. Check that.

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toolman

05-24-2003 19:44:42




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 Re: Ferguson T30 in reply to Mark Andrews, 05-24-2003 03:51:31  
mark charge the battery or get a new one to start, then go from there , sometimes i could never get mine started by jumping it , would charge up the battery to a FULL charge an presto, i don,t know why but jump starting it has always been a problem.good luck



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DanMO

05-24-2003 04:29:25




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 Re: Ferguson T30 in reply to Mark Andrews, 05-24-2003 03:51:31  
If you tried jumping it at the starter, make sure your ignition switch is going on. Check it with a VOM.



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