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25% Gasoline to Diesel engine

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Veijo, FIN

06-23-2003 22:27:12




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Has anyone put 25% gasoline (petrol in Britain) to diesel engine? Does it help startting? Engine failure?

I used to have old Volkswagen diesel pickup, and it's owners manual said that in cold weather 25% of gasoline can be put to tank.

I wonder if I can use same method to my MF35 with hard startting Standard diesel?

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Veijo, FIN

06-24-2003 23:06:30




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 Re: 25% Gasoline to Diesel engine in reply to Veijo, FIN, 06-23-2003 22:27:12  
Thank you for feedback. We do have winterized artic diesel as well, so the waxing in fuel filter is no problem. This is a bit confusing, we say paraffin is what we burn in candles. So in Britain it's same as lamp oil...

I think gasoline/petrol will add diesel more vaporize part, and mixture will ignite easier if in pressure and high temperature. In my MF-35 -59 problem is that piston doesn't make air in cylinder hot enough (700..900°C) so diesel fuel would burn. It's worn old engine. This is just my idea to move large repair to future.

I do have 4 glow plugs, ki-gass system, syntetic oil, good batteries and water heating system. In summer temperature here is 15...30°C and no problem for startting. Winter -10...-30°C is another story.

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JB

06-24-2003 17:05:23




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 Re: 25% Gasoline to Diesel engine in reply to Veijo, FIN, 06-23-2003 22:27:12  
One of my Dad's friends worked in the woods in northern Canada with a JD Diesel log skidder and when the temp went below - 30F, he would either put some gasoline in the Diesel or leave it running 24 hrs a day. I don't know how much he put in but it did help it start. My nephew works as a mechanic for a construction company that uses their Cat loaders in the winter to snow plow parking lots. I asked him how they started the Cat Diesels and he said they buy the ether spray cans by the case.
My brother uses a recirculating block heater on his IH 595 that he starts every day to feed round bales. He says at -25F it takes about 30 minutes to start easily.

JB

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Rlach

06-24-2003 09:54:54




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 Re: 25% Gasoline to Diesel engine in reply to Veijo, FIN, 06-23-2003 22:27:12  
I added up to 10 % regular unleaded gasoline in my Rabbit and Golf Diesel at beginning of winter in Canada; at that time there is a possibility of waxing in the fuel lines because at the beginning of December Diesel fuel #2(summer fuel) is still in tanks. At the end of December, normally all Diesel fuel are being replaced by #2 winterized, a mixture of #2 and #1; #1 Diesel is used mainly in Artic conditions I believe; The gasoline dissolves the waxes and prevents engine stalling after filter clogging. I had not added more than 10 % because gasoline is a dry solvent compared to Diesel fuel and it can harm injectors and injection pump; also, beware of sparks because a mixture of gasoline and diesel fuel is more explosive than gasoline alone because the mixing produces more volatile Hydrocarbons. I do not believe the mixture would be very helpful, at least it didnt improve starting the Volks at -30 °C which were equiped with glow plug like IH B-414/B-275(not the case with the Standard or indirect injection Perkins). The best way to start a MF-35 is ether, 2 batteries, 0W40 synthetic engine oil like JD or equivalent, coolant heater.
Rlach

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David

06-24-2003 03:12:56




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 Re: 25% Gasoline to Diesel engine in reply to Veijo, FIN, 06-23-2003 22:27:12  
My guess is that petrol would mix and raise "octane" level of diesel so maybe it would help. I have a bit of extra petrol in my TVO mix in the hope that it will burn better when tractor is under light load or idling as it is mostly.



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James, UK

06-24-2003 00:19:18




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 Re: 25% Gasoline to Diesel engine in reply to Veijo, FIN, 06-23-2003 22:27:12  
Over here, in 'cold' weather (more like a spring day for you!!) lorry drivers used to add about 25% paraffin to their diesel to prevent waxing of the diesel at low temperatures - you can smell it if you follow the lorry - it's a bit like the TVO smell . . . . lovely.

I have never come across adding petrol to diesel though - but in theory the petrol would certainly ignite at diesel compression, and help ignite the diesel, or warm the combustion chamber.

The only thing that worries me is if the petrol ignites 'earlier' than the diesel so producing increased stress on the piston crown.

Perhaps the only way to find out, is to try it, but by adding say, 5%, then 10%, then 15% then 20% then 25% petrol, until better starting is obtained - that way you don't add any more petrol than is absolutely necessary, and you minimise the risk of damaging your engine.

Nice idea though, thanks for posting it - is there a fuel engineer out there who can add more information on this one??

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Mark

06-24-2003 15:47:46




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 Re: Re: 25% Gasoline to Diesel engine in reply to James, UK, 06-24-2003 00:19:18  
just so all of us Yanks are up to speed...paraffin in the UK is what we call kerosene. We know paraffin as canning wax.



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James, UK

06-25-2003 00:43:13




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 Re: Re: Re: 25% Gasoline to Diesel engine in reply to Mark, 06-24-2003 15:47:46  
Oops, I fell into that old trap, didn't I? failure to think outside the national boundary!!

Sorry folks.

But then, I have seen some of you based in the US refer to p/p engines, and not refer to them as p/k, or even g/k engines - which in theory they ought to be, as you don't use petrol, do you? (grin)



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Diesel Dave

10-01-2003 06:51:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 25% Gasoline to Diesel engine in reply to James, UK, 06-25-2003 00:43:13  
Volkswagen used to state in the Golf/Rabbit owners manual the following,
You can add leadless regular or leaded regular ( NOT HIGH LEAD)Petrol/Gasoline to Diesel to stop it freezing.
15% Gas to 85% Diesel protects down to -5 C.
30% Gas to 70% Diesel protects down to -15 C.
The amount of Petrol/Gas MUST NOT BE GREATER,
or engine damage will occur along with a loss of power. It's well known that Diesel contaminated with Kero/paraffin causes damage to the injection pump & injectors. Also smokeing & power loss, so its up to you, why not just use 'Winter Diesel'?

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