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Olly Richman

09-01-2003 02:28:29




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I've got another problem with my Fergie (TE 20 continental)- the half shaft oil seals are leaking onto the brakes, I have withdrawn the 1/2 shaft and now I want to change the Innner seal but how do I get at it? I don't rally want to do the outer seal because it means taking off the bearing.
The other thing I would like to know is how to split the fergie what to leave on what half, the outcome from my last post was I need to do the clutch
Thanks,
Olly.

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john(UK)

09-01-2003 12:13:33




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 Re: Ferguson problems in reply to Olly Richman, 09-01-2003 02:28:29  
Well your in luck, you dont need to do it the hard and very expensive way now, you can buy a kit called "Sure Seals" that fits into the end of the trumpet housing and stop the oil getting anywhere near the bearing and worn out seal. I am told they cost about $10..but from your e-mail address I think you may be in UK, if you are please post again and I will send the names of some suppliers in UK...if you are in USA or Canada you can get the seals from this site, click on Ferguson parts at the top of the page. To repair the clutch, you need to remove the hood and the fuel tank,disconnect battery main lead, remove air hose from air filter to carb, Remove Starter motor,detach steering rods at the front axle end,lift them up and over to the rear when you have them detached, If they wont come out of the steering arm, shock them with a hammer,just hit the arm, you wont break them. Remove footrests and open out radius rods so you can use them like handles on a wheelbarrow, detach choke control at back of carb, detach throttle control at front of engine on the end of the long rod,detach wiring from the generator and move it towards the driving seat out of the way.If you have a downswept exhaust you will need to detach it at the manifold and let it drop down. Hope I havent forgotten anything, probably I have, just make sure that there is nothing that runs from the back half over the clutch housing/engine flange and you will be ok. When you get to this stage you need a jack under the clutch housing, just take the weight, have some blocks of wood ready to put under the engine, unfasten all the bolts around the clutch housing, starting with the nut at the top, right in the middle, as the housing starts to split make sure that the split is even, if its wider at the bottom than the top then jack it up and vice versa, when you get all the bolts out then you are ready to wheel the engine away, keep the radius rods down dont lift them higher than being level or you wont be able to control the wheels easily. its a two man job to do it this way, but we used to do it all the time, There is a kit using a track and two jacks but you wont have one of those, that makes it a lot easier. Once you got the engine away you can get at the clutch easily. To refit it, make sure that you get the clutch plate central in the clutch so the shaft will enter the plate and into the bearing in the flywheel, really you need a dummy shaft to do that, someone may have something that will do usually. Dont try to force the engine and transmission together or you may damage the centre of the clutch plate. While you have it apart make sure the release bearing on the clutch pedal and the pilot bearing in the centre of the flywheel are ok, replace them if they are at all rough or very easy to turn, if you dont you may be taking the engine out again quicker than you thought.Hope you can follow all that, just holla if you dont...best of luck with it....John

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larry

09-01-2003 13:56:53




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 Re: Re: Ferguson problems in reply to john(UK), 09-01-2003 12:13:33  
Somewhere around 333xxx factory update put a seal on the inside(closests to the diff.)and started packing bearings with grease.Sureseal is no more than a inside seal.If yours has not been updated nows the time.Your outside seal(closests to drum) needs replaced also,make sure to inject grease into bearing.I have all the timkin and CR numbers but i don't know if there the same over the pond.Sureseal you can get at your FORD dealer,same as 2n

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john(UK)

09-01-2003 15:19:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Ferguson problems in reply to larry, 09-01-2003 13:56:53  
Draw your own conclusions from that Larry.It doesn't sound like an Inner seal to me.

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larry

09-02-2003 04:01:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Ferguson problems in reply to john(UK), 09-01-2003 15:19:43  
Thats right John, but hears the problem,he's had oil leaking from diff into brakes, sureseal will stop this, but he needs to repack the bearing(with grease) as this warms up it will still leak into brakes. according to my book this is called the inner seal, outer seal would be sureseal,this is confusing to me too, but thats how my manual called it.I just did this last week,price and part number is right, but the shipping even over here was $6. Again from the tire in it,s inner seal,bearing,coller,outter seal or sureseal,all in the axle bearing housing.

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john(UK)

09-02-2003 10:32:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ferguson problems in reply to larry, 09-02-2003 04:01:21  
All very confusing Larry, been thinking about this since I got your mail trying to work it out, how does this sound to you....at serial number 350,00 they modified quite a few things at this point the grease nipple was introduced but they had to stop the oil and grease so they fitted the extra seal which does same job as Sure seal but its only on these later tractors, so "Sure seals" are for the early tractors prior to 350,000 that didnt have the seal fitted in the first place. Does that make sense to you? With regard to inner and outer I agree its very confusing, something we will have to live with, but as long as we are aware of it I suppose it will be ok. Regarding the oil or grease leak from the axle shaft into brakes, I think that with the extra seal fitted, providing you dont overgrease it, I think you could get away without all the considerable expense of reworking the axle shafts, maybe not good engineering practice but it would save a considerable amount of money and I dont think that most operators overgrease anyway usually the opposite.

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larry

09-02-2003 11:36:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ferguson problems in reply to john(UK), 09-02-2003 10:32:06  
Bingo, or by george i think weve got it. lol this is not to expesive, around $50, but this job not for the timid, took a 75ton press to put the coller on.your probibly right about the grease, unless your like me and my cordless electrict grease gun.See you on the next problem



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john(UK)

09-02-2003 12:28:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ferguson problems in reply to larry, 09-02-2003 11:36:34  
Always remember Larry, if you get over enthusiastic with that grease gun of yours we can always take your batteries away, just a thought...lol By the way did you mean put the collar ON or take it OFF?



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larry

09-02-2003 14:41:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ferguson problems in reply to john(UK), 09-02-2003 12:28:54  
Off,75tons was not enought to take it off,had to gas axe it.Not to mention all the speical rigging it took.



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john(UK)

09-02-2003 14:47:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ferguson probl in reply to larry, 09-02-2003 14:41:16  
The correct tool for doing that job was a very long drill bit that fitted over the end of the axle shaft at the centre button and stretched down to the collar, you drilled the collar with it then split the remaining metal on the collar and it came off easy...of course you have to have a VERY long drill bit....lol



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Olly Richman

09-01-2003 14:24:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Ferguson problems in reply to larry, 09-01-2003 13:56:53  
Now you say they added an inner seal at about 330000 and my tractor is TE 2062! From what I can see looking up the trumpet housing I can see a seal ( I Think) near to the far end.
Thanks,
Olly.



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larry

09-01-2003 15:27:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Ferguson problems in reply to Olly Richman, 09-01-2003 14:24:40  
Sorry,no seals in the trumpet,all are in bearing housing.order from tire side in,seal,bearing,coller,and sureseal



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Olly Richman

09-01-2003 12:47:06




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 Re: Re: Ferguson problems in reply to john(UK), 09-01-2003 12:13:33  
Yes I am in the U.K, I have just gone and bought 2 INNER half shaft seals to fit, as they are so far back in the housing I will probably need to take the trumpet housing of and fit them that way.
I am still interested in these sure seals though.
Thanks,
Olly.



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john(UK)

09-01-2003 13:22:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Ferguson problems in reply to Olly Richman, 09-01-2003 12:47:06  
They never used to fit Inner seals, only the awkward one on the end nearest the brake drum, so you may find that there aren't any in your tractor unless someome has modified it. These "Sure seals" I understand (because I havent yet seen them) fit in the open end of the trumpet housing when you withdraw the half shaft, which I think you will agree must be easier. Regards...John



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Olly Richman

09-01-2003 13:35:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Ferguson problems in reply to john(UK), 09-01-2003 13:22:17  
Yes, the only seal I can see is right up inside the trumpet housing - is this a seal?
Classic tractor shows a seal being removed in one of their guides to changing oil seals. It shows a man removing an inner oil seal from a TEF 20 (I think).
Thanks,
Olly.



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larry

09-01-2003 06:10:15




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 Re: Ferguson problems in reply to Olly Richman, 09-01-2003 02:28:29  
Much as i hate to tell you, the bearing needs to come off.best way is to tourch it off(coller and bearing)replace both seals,bearing and coller.as far as the clutch goes, split it between motor and trans.



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