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Jim Kampa

11-07-2003 18:57:03




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About a year ago I purchased a Ferguson tractor ( T0 20 ??? ) and I am trying to find out which model & year it really might be. I was told this unit was bought before me from someone in Canada and was manufactured in England. I was told that there should be a tag on the dash to identify the tractor but it is missing. Let me tell you what I know about this unit.

* The original color looks blue/green/gray and not the pure gray you see in all the pictures.

* The engine is four-cylinder overhead valve with the following markings in two different locations – QA12361 & 300508.

* The electrical system is 12 Volt negative grounds with the word “LUCAS” on the coil. *The carburetor is a Zenith with a statement that says “Made in Britain” on it.

* The radiator has the following tag marking –
- Coventry Radiator
- And Presswork CO. LTD.
- Canleyworks Coventry
- GR 7417 * The oil filter rather than being in the bottom of the oil pan is along the driver’s side of the engine toward the bottom of the engine at an angle. The filter canister has the name “TECALMIT” on it. The oil canister it is in about 4” in diameter and 10” long. (See attached photos).

* The rear axel has the two following numbers – 8RA (the r is in a triangle) & the number G16. .

* Your help in identifying this tractor is very much appreciated. It is hard to buy replacement parts when you do not know what you have. Any information you can provide (model, year etc.) is appreciated.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Jim kampa
jkampa@integraonline.com

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Mike

11-10-2003 15:20:23




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 Re: Ferguson identify in reply to Jim Kampa, 11-07-2003 18:57:03  
This is in responce to the Ferguson identification. I have the same problem identifying the tractor. I think it is a TEA20 from what i have read on the site. But my tractor has a 3 ranges in the transmission. Is this common? There is a lever on the right side of the transmission that gives me 3 differant ranges. Has anyone ever seen this?



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john(UK)

11-10-2003 16:16:07




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 Re: Re: Ferguson identify in reply to Mike, 11-10-2003 15:20:23  
Where on the transmission is this lever?...is it alongside the main lever or right down on the round plate on the side under the seat>or is it forward of the foot pedals. It could be a Howard Reduction box or a Sherman hi-low box...depending on where it is, thats if it is a TEA as you think.



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TO24424

11-11-2003 17:25:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Ferguson identify in reply to john(UK), 11-10-2003 16:16:07  
Definitely sounds like english tractor...oil filter on outside ...trust JOHN UK he's pretty good at this.



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Mike

11-10-2003 17:57:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Ferguson identify in reply to john(UK), 11-10-2003 16:16:07  
Its on the right side, right below the arm that comes out of the steering box. It has 3 positions, down, up, and pull out on the lever and up. It has like a low, medium, and high range. Thanks,
Mike



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john(UK)

11-11-2003 11:14:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Ferguson identify in reply to Mike, 11-10-2003 17:57:47  
Sounds like a Sherman transmission then Fits in the clutch housing on the front of the gearbox. So it would appear that your tractor is a TE or TO...You could check the metal the gearbox housing is made of..if its aluminium like its a TE if its cast iron its a TO if it has a Standard Motors engine its a TEA. If you would like a pic of the Sherman transmission...let me have an email address and I will send it on.

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Mike

11-11-2003 13:53:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ferguson identify in reply to john(UK), 11-11-2003 11:14:29  
It has a standard motor. It has the Lucas 12 volt electrical system. And it has the oil canisters on the outside, on the left side. The air take cleaner intake is on the dash. So i think it is a tea. The transmission appears to be aluminum. The number in front of the transmission dipstick is 1071, does this mean it is 1951? There is a number stamped on the side of the motor:DA12361, I dont know if this means anything to you or not. My email address is: mbennett@csonline.net I would like to see the picture you have. Also would you like to see my tractor? I can email it to you?

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john(UK)

11-11-2003 11:13:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Ferguson identify in reply to Mike, 11-10-2003 17:57:47  
Sounds like a Sherman transmission then Fits in the clutch housing on the front of the gearbox. So it would appear that your tractor is a TE or TO...You could check the metal the gearbox housing is made of..if its aluminium like its a TE if its cast iron its a TO if it has a Standard Motors engine its a TEA



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Jim Kampa

11-08-2003 20:21:21




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 Re: Ferguson identify in reply to Jim Kampa, 11-07-2003 18:57:03  
Thank you Jim for your help. The numbers on the transmission you asked about are 215. please advise if this tells us anything.

Where is the best place to go for parts? On the TEA20's you are restoring what are you doing for paint? Color? Manuf. of paint?

Thanks again for all your help.

Jim



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john(UK)

11-09-2003 17:17:31




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 Re: Re: Ferguson identify in reply to Jim Kampa, 11-08-2003 20:21:21  
2 1 5 should relate to 2nd January 1955



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Jim W

11-08-2003 05:43:46




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 Re: Ferguson identify in reply to Jim Kampa, 11-07-2003 18:57:03  
In order to attach a picture here you have to fill in both the "Optional Link URL" and the "Link Title" (call it whatever you like) or it won't show up.
You have a TEA20; the motor was made by Standard Motor Company (in the UK) rather than the Continental motor you would find on a TO20. In fact the whole tractor was made by Standard. If it was always 12v then it is above serial number 200,000, however it is always possible someone has converted it from 6v in the past.
Just ahead of the transmission dipstick hole you should find a series of 3 or 4 digits which will reveal roughly the date of manufacture. This will matter a bit when you need to source parts as there were a few changes over the production run, most notably, the engine size was increased at serial number 172,xxx.
I have been making four of these into three so have gotten familiar with their insides. I have made a small website that hopefully could be helpful; see below.
Jim W

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john(UK)

11-09-2003 06:19:38




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 Re: Re: Ferguson identify in reply to Jim W, 11-08-2003 05:43:46  
If its above 200,001 and 12v it will have the air intake on the dash, if it hasn't it will be below that number.
The engine was changed from 80mm to 85mm bore at #172598
The engine number will give us a clue as to what it is..you will find it on left side of block, stamped between the oil filler and the ignition coil.



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Jim Kampa

11-09-2003 19:40:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Ferguson identify in reply to john(UK), 11-09-2003 06:19:38  
John
The air intake is indeed in the dash. (missing) is whatever goes between tne oil bath and the hood intake

The tractor is 12V positive ground. The 12Volt system looks original. The number you asked about is where you said and is --S113600E --.What does this telll us? Is this a 1955?
Thanks in advance for all your work and support. --- Jim



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john(UK)

11-10-2003 14:43:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Ferguson identify in reply to Jim Kampa, 11-09-2003 19:40:22  
There should be a cone shaped rubber hose fitted between the top of the air cleaner and the dash opening, with a hooded metal screen on the dash itself. You can still get the parts. Near as I can tell from the number it is a 1955 model, engine numbers are very vague and not much information around about them, they changed the way engine numbers were used at one point which makes it even more difficult to follow.

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Jim W

11-10-2003 08:49:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Ferguson identify in reply to Jim Kampa, 11-09-2003 19:40:22  
If you count the number of bolts holding the axle "trumpet" housing to the differential case, it will confirm whether the serial number is greater than 330,032. If there are 11 it is earlier and if 15, later.
If later, this will confirm that it was produced mid-'53 or later (they ended in '56). But I do think it is a '55 based on the casting numbers.
Jim W.



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