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Barry Reid, Sti

12-16-2003 04:51:11




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Morning Everyone
Dont jump out of your socks guys. My TEA-20 is still running like a top since we repaired the timing chain. When my buddy was helping me do this repair, I had to leave for an hour or so to drive my girls to the work and their boyfreinds place, ( Thats another story in itself )When I got back my buddy had it almost back together. My question to this site is this, and I havent asked my buddy yet, because I was so happy that Fergy was running.My buddy dosent have a timing lite, So how did he time the tractor? Im going to say that he lined up the marks on the gears.Is this correct? Is there a standard way in doing this and if so could someone explain it to me in laymans terms. As always this site is looked at 1st thing when I get to work, with my morning coffee. Thanks again Barry

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john(UK)

12-17-2003 13:27:16




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 Re: Timing Stuff in reply to Barry Reid, Stirling, Ont, 12-16-2003 04:51:11  
Barry, I have the page from the service manual that describes exactly how to do this if you want it. Email me at granada1 at hotmail dot com. Lining up the marks on the gears will set the valve timing, the distributor is driven off the camshaft and providing it hasn't been altered while the engine was stripped down it will be as it was before the chain broke. But if you need to accurately check the ignition timing you will need the instructions.

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Barry Reid Stirling Ont

12-21-2003 12:13:46




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 Re: Re: Timing Stuff in reply to john(UK), 12-17-2003 13:27:16  
Afternoon John

That would be great if you could send that page. Im not at the office until next week but if you could send that to reidb-at-inspection-dot-gc-dot-ca. I can pick it up somtime soon. Thanks again and all the best to you and your family over the holidays. Im e-mailing from a friends place as I speak. thansk again



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James, UK

12-16-2003 05:23:24




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 Re: Timing Stuff in reply to Barry Reid, Stirling, Ont, 12-16-2003 04:51:11  
Hello Barry - lining up the marks on the gears just gets the valve timing right (the mechanical stuff) after that you need to insert the distributor correctly so that you can get the points to just begin to open as the piston on No 1 cylinder reaches top dead centre - rotating the distributor past the TDC point and then back again allows for any wear in the system.

No lights are needed, but you can use a bulb on a flying lead to tell you when the points are just opening.

Hope this helps.

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Jim W

12-16-2003 05:19:31




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 Re: Timing Stuff in reply to Barry Reid, Stirling, Ont, 12-16-2003 04:51:11  
-and it looks like you start work early!
There are two kinds of timing - valve timing and ignition timing. The valve timing is what your buddy did by lining up the marks on the gears, so the valves open at the right time in relation to the position of the crankshaft (and therefore pistons). The valve timing is really set by the shape of the lobes on the camshaft so that the valves open and close at just the right time according to the engine designers - non-adjustable.

Now ignition timing is what everybody talks about adjusting all the time. This is when the spark fires, compared to the position of the piston, and is adjustable. The way it is done is by loosening the distributor mounting, and rotating the distributor a bit one way or the other. On a TEA, rotating it clockwise is advancing the timing. But, if you guys didn't have the distributor out or anything, the timing will have been retained through the operation and you should be in good shape (assuming you were beforehand).
"Normally" - like on a car, for example, there is a mark on the crankshaft pulley and some kind of pointer on the timing cover. When the mark on the pulley lines up with the pointer, the #1 piston is at Top Dead Centre, and from there you can figure out how to set the ignition timing (as the spark normally fires somewhere close to when the piston is at TDC). But that would be too easy, so on a TEA there is a small hole just beneath the starter motor, probably filled with dirt and therefore invisible. Then there is a matching hole in the flywheel just behind, so that when the #1 piston is at TDC these holes line up. All you have to do is stick a wire in, rotate the engine with a hand crank, and when the wire slides into the flywheel hole you're at TDC. Easy eh?
Hope it helps,
Jim

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peter boucher

01-22-2004 10:30:31




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 Re: Re: Timing Stuff in reply to Jim W, 12-16-2003 05:19:31  
Jim:
I follow you on the hole below the starter lining up with the hole in the flywheel. But how do I know when the 2 are lined up that piston #1 is TDC
and how do I get it to TDC.

Thanks ,Peter



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