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New Coil re: TEA-20

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Barry Reid Stir

04-14-2004 04:41:55




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Good Morning Everyone - On the weekend I bought a new coil for my 1952 TEA-2085. I was a bit unsure when I bought it weather I bought the right one or not.My tractor is a 12 volt. On the back of the box that it came in it said and Im quoting here " For 12 volt systems without resistance " Can anyone explain to me what this means. I can take it back if I have the wrong one. Thanks in advance ,, Barry

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Jerry/MT

04-14-2004 18:08:55




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 Re: New Coil re: TEA-20 in reply to Barry Reid Stirling Ont., 04-14-2004 04:41:55  
Barry, I'll give you an alternate opinion. Keep the resistor and buy a six volt coil. It's usually much cheaper than a coil with an internal resistor. The resistor is cheap and usually reliable. The sum total of the resistor and the six volt coil is about half of the price of a 12 volt coil. Either system is equally efficient. They both use resistance to limit current at the points by reducing the effective voltage at the coil primary to 4-5 volts. One increases the heat load on the coil and the other dissipates the heat at the external resistor. I use the ballast resistor and the 6 volt coil on my TO-30 ignition system. Hope this helps.

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Jim W

04-14-2004 11:23:04




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 Re: New Coil re: TEA-20 in reply to Barry Reid Stirling Ont., 04-14-2004 04:41:55  
In an ignition system with a resistor, when the key is on, current flows through the resistor and the coil in series. This creates a voltage drop across the resistor such that you have 6 to 8 volts on the primary side of the coil when the tractor is running. The coil for this type of system is designed to operate with this lower voltage. In this type of system, when the key is turned to "start", the full 12 volts is applied to the coil i.e. the resistor is bypassed. This gives a much hotter spark for starting.
Our tractors didn't have this system (although it's possible to convert it) and so the coil you have is the right one.
Best regards,
Jim

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txblu

04-14-2004 11:00:16




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 Re: New Coil re: TEA-20 in reply to Barry Reid Stirling Ont., 04-14-2004 04:41:55  
Resistors were used to limit current thru the coil primary ckt presumably to reduce ignition point pitting. Seems they couldn't use fine enough wire in the coil to do the job as maybe the coil would get too hot. This way the heat is outside where it can be dissipated more readily.

When 12 volt ignitions first came out, some folks used 6v coils and dropped the other 6v across a resistor; very inefficient but did the trick of limiting current for the points, and keeping the voltage/current relationship in the coil to 6v.

Then came electronic ignitions which used a transistor (solid state device) to switch the coil current rather than those nasty points. So, the resistor helped define the max current thru the transistor so you wouldn't wipe it out.

What you are telling me is that your coil has adequate current limiting internally (probably due to smaller wire) and no external resistance is necessary. If you have one, take it out or short around it.

If you want to know what you are looking for it is usually a white ceramic looking hootus, bracket mounted to the sheetmetal somewhere (under the dash probably) with 2 vertical terminals that "look scorched" measuring around .5 to 1" square by about 2" long.

my2c

txblu

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Barry Reid Stirling Ont

04-14-2004 11:20:22




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 Re: Re: New Coil re: TEA-20 in reply to txblu, 04-14-2004 11:00:16  
txblu, thanks for the response. That is what I have, a small white thing that I have no idea what it did until now. So this brings up another question. Could I take that white ceramic thing off and just use the new coil? The ceramic thing is in very poor shape



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Jim W

04-14-2004 11:24:02




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 Re: Re: Re: New Coil re: TEA-20 in reply to Barry Reid Stirling Ont, 04-14-2004 11:20:22  
yeah throw it away



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Barry Reid

04-14-2004 11:43:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: New Coil re: TEA-20 in reply to Jim W, 04-14-2004 11:24:02  
Afternoon Jim

Good to hear from you. How have you been? Thanks for all the info. I often wonder when I post a message if people out there in tractor land roll the eyes at me. I havent had any "off the cuff" remarks yet. So I will continue to ask questions, no matter how dopey they seem. Thanks again Jim your a wealth of knowlege.



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Jim W

04-14-2004 14:11:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Coil re: TEA-20 in reply to Barry Reid, 04-14-2004 11:43:10  
Hey Barry not bad. Working hard on getting my TEA restoration done in time for the Perth road run. At least it now stands on its own four wheels instead of blocks of wood.
Lots of greasy hands, blue fingernails etc...
Jim



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Barry Reid Stirling, Ont

04-15-2004 04:58:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Coil re: TEA-20 in reply to Jim W, 04-14-2004 14:11:55  
Morning Jim
Always a pleasure to hear from you.Keep me posted on the Perth Road Run if you hear anything. That day sounds like a ton of fun, and I cant wait to participate in it.



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