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Interesting Situation regarding oil pressure

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Barry from Stir

05-31-2004 04:42:11




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Morning Everyone

Last week you may remember that I posted in here about changing my oil presure guage and the line. Ok done that and all was right. The new guage showed 68 lbs on start-up. I checked the oil yesterday before I started to mow some grass. There are 3 lines on the oil dipstick. The oil was at the middle line. I thought it was low and added oil to bring it up to the top line. Problem now is that I dont show any oil pressure on the new guage. ( Before adding oil there was all kinds of pressure ) After about 10 minutes of running the pressure will come up to about 10 lbs. Question is , was the oil level ok to start with and have I over filled it? Any thoughts would be great. Other than that she workd fine. Thanks in advance ----- Barry

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Jim W

06-02-2004 17:47:49




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 Re: Interesting Situation regarding oil pressure in reply to Barry from Stirling, 05-31-2004 04:42:11  
Hey Barry did you solve this mystery yet?
As I read it I remembered that I had the same symptoms once but for a totally unrelated reason - I had left the gas turned on and it all drained into the crankcase and thinned out the oil.
But then of course it was way too full, not down a quart. Did you not show any pressure immediately after adding the new oil, or was there some time between?
The other thing that comes to mind is the pressure relief valve in the oil filter head; maybe it stuck open?
Jim

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Barry from Stirling

06-03-2004 05:05:02




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 Re: Re: Interesting Situation regarding oil pressu in reply to Jim W, 06-02-2004 17:47:49  
Morning Jim and txblu, Jerry, Al Well the mystery has been solved regarding my missing oil pressure. Where the line comes out of the bottom of the engine. There is this nut with the oil line coming off the side of it that goes to the gauge( dont ask me what its called ) When I broke the original line while replacing the old gauge. I had to salvage this nut and about 5 inches of line. The new line was fitted to this old line with pressure fittings. When I put this nut back on there were 2 gaskets, 1 that went next to the engine and the other went on the outside of the nut. When I mounted evrything back into place I must have pinched one of those gaskets. Last night while the tractor was running I losened the nut and instantly had 65 lbs oil pressure. I was careful to tighten everything back up and now all ir right with the world. Jim if your at the Perth Rd run I will show you what I mean. Sorry this post was so long. Its interesting , If I had of left well enough alone I wouldnt have been in this problem, But the new ammeter gauge I put on and the old oil pressure gauge werent the same colour, cant have that now can we, rolling my eyes here and laughing at the same time. I have the bug bad, what can I say

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Jim W

06-03-2004 07:40:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Interesting Situation regarding oil pr in reply to Barry from Stirling, 06-03-2004 05:05:02  
Yes that all makes sense. One more thing to store in the memory banks for later...
The fitting is called a banjo fitting, and really instead of gaskets you are supposed to have copper washers on either side of it.
Jim



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Barry from Stirling

06-03-2004 07:48:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Interesting Situation regarding oi in reply to Jim W, 06-03-2004 07:40:45  
Morning Jim

WOW, you learn something new everyday. Banjo, eh. Maybe I shouldnt have put the gaskets in to start with. I didnt know they were copper until I read your post. I thought that they were very worn out gaskets. I may take it back off and put the copper washers back on. Thanks Jim



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txblu

06-02-2004 09:05:28




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 Re: Interesting Situation regarding oil pressure in reply to Barry from Stirling, 05-31-2004 04:42:11  
Read comment from me below.
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Then FYI:
Funny thing happened to me yesterday. Newly purchased tractor. No Idea as to any history (operation or service). Had put new 15w-40 oil in it a day before with new filter and had mowed some pasture for a couple of hrs. Noticed something I didn't notice before purchase, oil pressure drops when engine gets hot. Yuck! Overhaul needed. Yuck! Big mistake missing this one; should have paid $1k less for it.

Not feeling like an overhaul at the time, I bought some 40W HD oil and drained the (yesterday's new oil and installed today's new oil. Curiously, the oil was black as tar after only a couple hrs of engine operation. Hmmmm cleaning up sludge.

Put in the new oil and started the engine. Waited and waited at idle for the pressure to pop up on the gauge. It didn't. By now I am starting to worry. So I hit the throttle and it immediately jumped up to 60 psig. No problems after that.

Don't know if it was a gauge problem, or if the oil was too thick to flow thru the oil pump inlet screen, or some crud that may have been loosened by the detergent in the new oil.

The single grade oil did help the (hot) pressure a lot. At Idle it will hold 20 psig whereas it was falling to 5 with the 15W-40.

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Jerry/MT

05-31-2004 15:31:29




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 Re: Interesting Situation regarding oil pressure in reply to Barry from Stirling, 05-31-2004 04:42:11  
Barry, The ammount of oil in the crankcase doesn't have a significant effect on the oil pressure unless you hardly have any oil in the crankcase, in which case the oil pressure will be zero. Not only that, the effect of air bubbles in the oil line is negligable. I can't explain why you saw 68 psi on start up and now you only see 10 psi except that your guage mechainism may have been hung up from handling it during installation.

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Al in BC

05-31-2004 09:51:27




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 Re: Interesting Situation regarding oil pressure in reply to Barry from Stirling, 05-31-2004 04:42:11  
Good day Barry.
I know this sound funny, but it sounds like you have waterlogged the guage. Meaning: sometimes you can over fill the system and oil gets up the tube and displaces the air in the line to the guage and the oil gets into the workings of the guage and voila, the term waterlogged. Someone out there might have a better idea , but I've seen this happen numerous times when I was still millwrighting and the lube man overfilled the system. You will have to take the line off and blow it. You can get the oil out of the capilliary in the guage by taking a air nozzle and blow past the surface of the inlet to the guage. Once you have done this you might flush out the guage through the inlet hole with a little bit of brake cleaner. Let it dry and reinstall.
That's what we did in the past.
My 2 cents worth
Al in BC

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txblu

06-02-2004 08:35:59




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 Re: Re: Interesting Situation regarding oil pressu in reply to Al in BC, 05-31-2004 09:51:27  
Al,

Wouldn't this condition cause the gauge to read pressure with the engine off, not vice versa which is the case here?

I think the problem is a coincidence as adding oil has nothing to do with the gauge reading other than as mentioned, being out.

I think what I'd do is crack the nut on the back of the gauge, start the engine and look for oil leaking out. Does 2 things, 1, tells you you have pressure even though the gauge doesn't record it, and 2, purges the line. Then tighten it back.

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Barry from Stirling

06-03-2004 06:21:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Interesting Situation regarding oil pr in reply to txblu, 06-02-2004 08:35:59  
Morning txblu Yep your right, the oil level had nothing what so ever with my pressure gauge problem, just a werid coincidence



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txblu

06-03-2004 08:14:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Interesting Situation regarding oi in reply to Barry from Stirling, 06-03-2004 06:21:41  
Great!



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