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TO 30, Cracked Block

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Moye

08-05-2004 09:46:07




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Am rebuilding a TO 30 with the Continental Z124 engine (I Think that is the correct number.) Anyway, when I started cleaning the block surface, I found there were cracks between the #1 and 2, #2 and 3, and #3 and 4 cylinders. The cracks go all the way to the water jacket. Can I put new Sleeves in this, troque it down good, and run it, or do I need to do more repair work? The tractor will not be worked real hard or real offten. Mainly used for a garden. BTW, the tractor was last ran in 1964 when it was replaced with a bigger tractor. The TO was driven out and parked, and the new tractor went under the shelter. It does have som sentimental value. Thanks, Moye

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Moye

08-05-2004 19:49:27




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 Re: TO 30, Cracked Block in reply to Moye, 08-05-2004 09:46:07  
Thinks for the quick comments. I found, upon furthur examination this afternoon, that the cracks are in the bottom too. Carried the block to my local machine shop. As soon as he saw the block, he said "Fergusion, cracked between the cylinders." Then he looked and said "yep." So I guess it will be welded. Thanks a bunch. Moye



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Jerry/MT

08-05-2004 15:44:19




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 Re: TO 30, Cracked Block in reply to Moye, 08-05-2004 09:46:07  
If you have a TO-30 then you have a Z129 engine. It has the oil filter on the right side of the block.
Cracking is pretty common on the ese Continental blocks. It was usually caused by overheating. The fix was to drill holes through the water jacket between the sleeves, insert a threaded rodand using a nut on each end of the threaded rod, the rod was tensioned to closed the crack. I had one like that and it never leaked. It was plumb wore out when I got it and I eventually replaced it with a remanufactured short block. The short block had the cracks furnaced brazed to close them up, a more modern way to repair a cracked block. I have seen an industrial engine on a backhoe repaired the same way. Well thats probably more than you want to know about the subject, but it is a common occurance on the Z120 and Z129 blocks.

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gshadel

08-05-2004 12:38:18




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 Re: TO 30, Cracked Block in reply to Moye, 08-05-2004 09:46:07  
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TO-30... thats probably a Z-129 engine with some crud on the number to make it look like 124.
Cracked blocks are real common on Ferguson's - engine probably frozen at some point in the last 50 years. Not the end of the world in a lot of cases. I just did a search at the top of the page for "cracked block", got over 200 hits. You should do the search, read all the comments, then decide what's best for you.
If the cracks are only at the top, I have heard guys that just re-sleeve, install the head, and run block sealer through the engine. Heard other guys drill holes through the cracked rib and run a bolt through it to hold it, other guys have it welded... special welding for cast iron. Then there is me... I drilled'em, bolted'em, then built-up the ribs with as much JB weld as I could, about 4 good layers, then ground down just enough of the epoxy to let the new sleeves pass through the holes. Made sure it was cured real good. Used a lot of that copper spray head gasket sealant when I installed the head, then ran block sealer thru it when I got her running. I bush hog, plow, and scrape, whetever...., so far, so good. (knock on wood!)
Oh, here is a picture of my little beastie! I rebuilt her and painted her, but was too cheap to buy those metal name plates for the hood! (don't look at the oil leak on the stearing gearbox, I'm not too happy about that!
Good luck!

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gshadel

08-06-2004 05:00:42




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 Re: TO 30, Cracked Block in reply to gshadel, 08-05-2004 12:38:18  
steering gearbox is leaking where the steering arms come through, on both sides. Leak like a sieve. The process to pull the gearbox, press out the arms and install new bushing or seals looks like a big job. My steering is nice and tight so I'm not real eager to do all that work.
I see posts from guys pumping grease into the gearbox on the 9N formum all the time. I'm leaning that way myself, but not sure what type of grease to use.

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John (UK)

08-07-2004 05:14:14




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 Re: TO 30, Cracked Block in reply to gshadel, 08-06-2004 05:00:42  
Use any good quality grease that isnt too hard, it needs to be slightly runny to level out inside after the internal parts move around, some add a little oil to it to help it do that.



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Belleville Neil

08-05-2004 20:53:07




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 Re: TO 30, Cracked Block in reply to gshadel, 08-05-2004 12:38:18  
Where it the oil leaking from on your steering box? I've just repaired two leaks that were coming right through the casting. I used an aluminum epoxy putty. You mix the two part putty in your fingers and then apply it within 4 minutes. It cures in 15 minutes and takes paint great. I know where the leak was but most wouldn't. Goodluck!



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John (UK)

08-05-2004 12:45:51




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 Re: TO 30, Cracked Block in reply to gshadel, 08-05-2004 12:38:18  
Have you tried filling the box with semi-fliud grease, some of the guys are doing that now with a lot of success, saves stripping it all down I suppose. Some of them use grease with a small amount of oil in it to make it more fluid. Your tractor looks great.



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steveormary

08-06-2004 13:26:17




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 Re: TO 30, Cracked Block in reply to John (UK), 08-05-2004 12:45:51  
Moye;

Guess I have to brag a little. WE had a TE 20 for about 12 years and never cracked the block. Also never cracked the block on the TO 30 during the 50 years we had it. Kept the proper antifreeze in it We worked them steady but didnt run them hard. They didnt have temp guages on them.

steve



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John (UK)

08-06-2004 14:37:01




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 Re: TO 30, Cracked Block in reply to steveormary, 08-06-2004 13:26:17  
Quite frankly I can"t really understand anyone not having anti-freeze in any engine not only does it stop it freezing in winter but it also stops it rusting internally too.



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Jerry/MT

08-07-2004 21:28:44




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 Re: TO 30, Cracked Block in reply to John (UK), 08-06-2004 14:37:01  
John, back in the fifties, people did a lot of stuff to save a penny. Pennywise, pound foolish!Running with water as a coolant was one of them.



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John (UK)

08-08-2004 03:47:59




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 Re: TO 30, Cracked Block in reply to Jerry/MT, 08-07-2004 21:28:44  
Hi Jerry, yes I suppose they did, I rememeber them doing things like that here too, but it leaves a load of trouble for someone else to sort out. Still why are we complaining, I think most of the guys like playing with these things anyway.



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