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Limitations of TO20

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Nick

08-27-2004 16:30:59




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My tractor has come a long way since I got it 3 months ago. I still have a few questions.....
I have a 5ft. Landpride finishing mower on back of the TO20. I don't know the species of grass it is that I'm cutting but it is damn thick. Almost no weeds in it at all...just kinda thinned-blade but super thick grass. All around my immediate property was kept before I bought the place 5 months ago. As this grass grows 5 or 6 inches, I cut it with no problem (TO20 & 5ft. finishing mower) Now the rest of the six acres is between 12 and 20 inches high. When I attempt to cut it, the tractor boggs down to a dead stop. I'm guessing the finishing mower is overloaded with the grass this high? I'm sure the blades need sharpening as I bought the mower used but is this just too much grass at once for the TO20/finishing mower? Are the limitations of the hieght of grass I can cut with a finishing mower, dependent on the horsepower of tractor I have, or after so many inches of grass height, I need to go to a bush hog? Which brings me to my next question. Should my TO20 be able to handle 20 inches of thick grass with a 4 or 5 ft. bush hog with out bogging down like it does with the finishing mower in the higher grass? Sorry if these questions sound amateur but that's what I am! Any and all feedback is greatly appreciated.
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Nick

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treefarmer

08-29-2004 20:22:21




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 Re: Limitations of TO20 in reply to Nick, 08-27-2004 16:30:59  
Nick
I have a 4 foot Bush Hog (Squealer) that I pull with my TO20, and it does a good job on Alder Brush up to 2" diameter. On the real heavy clumps, I"ll take a 2 foot or 3 foot wide cut. One thing to be aware of - I damaged my oil pan and lost the oil, by running over the larger brush, not realizing that it would beat up the pan and the oil filter cover. I"ve got some hilly property and would like a lower/slower speed - Pucker Factor comes into play on occasion.
treefarmer

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txblu

08-30-2004 07:05:00




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 Re: Limitations of TO20 in reply to treefarmer, 08-29-2004 20:22:21  
Mr. treefarmer,

How do you handle the things I mentioned about a 4" vs 5"?

I have a 4" I bought to cut my pond dam and it just sits for those reasons.

Thanks,

Mark



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Jeff-oh

08-28-2004 11:43:14




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 Re: Limitations of TO20 in reply to Nick, 08-27-2004 16:30:59  
Nick,

Your TO-20 is up to the task. You are right the tall grass is overwhelming the finish mower. A TO-20 will handle a 5 foot rotory cutter (bush Hog) with no problem. But you do need to keep the ground speed down to let it cut.

When I have my rotory cutter set at 6 inches I can do the July cutting 4 to 5 foot high grass and briars and do most of the place in 2nd, but to get a good cut I drop it down to 1st gear.

My rotory cutter set at 4" and I must slow down to 1st and then take some cuts at half width to keep the enge from bogging down.

I have been cleaning out the pasture that was "Let go" and it has 1"-4" dia. tulip trees in it. I run over and chop up any tree up to about 3" I have even run down 8 foot tall black berry canes patches 15 feet in diameter.

I think your problem is that the finish mower is just not made to cut grass that tall. A good rule of thumb is to consider if a push mower would handle it. if not then the finish mower will also have problems.

To get through it with the finish mower take small cuts in 1st gear, or get, rent, hire a rotory cutter.

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Nick

08-28-2004 21:56:09




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 Re: Limitations of TO20 in reply to Jeff-oh, 08-28-2004 11:43:14  
Thanks guys..... .for ALL the input. I feel a lil bit better about my TO20 now. Seems like I'm just pushing her too hard rather than her having power problems. I'm gonna go buy me a 4ft brush hog and try again. My land is flat and I always cut in 1st. or 2nd. gear. I think after I get it down with the brush hog, I can come back with the finishing mower and keep it up.

Thanks again,
Nick

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txblu Heads up Nick

08-29-2004 07:40:28




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 Re: Limitations of TO20 in reply to Nick, 08-28-2004 21:56:09  
Beware of the 4'. Your rear tread width (outside) is probably 60". A 4' won't cover your tire tracks, nor will it mow adjacent to fences or other obstructions (trees).

Suggest you get the 5' and leave the 4' for the little 3 cyl rice burners of comparable hp (RATING).

My 2c.

Mark



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Nick

08-30-2004 16:22:48




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 Re: Limitations of TO20 in reply to txblu Heads up Nick, 08-29-2004 07:40:28  

Man-o-man! I did not think of that (not being able to cut adjacent to a fence with a 4 footer).
Thanks for the heads up!! 5 footer it will be!



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txblu

08-31-2004 06:23:11




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 Re: Limitations of TO20 in reply to Nick, 08-30-2004 16:22:48  
Made my day..... got to help someone.

Mark



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Jerry/MT

08-27-2004 20:05:31




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 Re: Limitations of TO20 in reply to Nick, 08-27-2004 16:30:59  
You didn't say what gear you were trying to cut in. It's difficult to cut heavy grass with a 20 HP tractor in fourth gear using a 5 foot finish mower. Drop down to third or second and try. If that doesn't do it either raise the mower up or cut a 2/3's wide swath. Yes, a rotary cutter ("bush hog") should be able to handle it better but you'll still need to keep the blade speed up relative to the wheel speed(i.e use lower gears).

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txblu

08-28-2004 07:01:21




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 Re: Limitations of TO20 in reply to Jerry/MT, 08-27-2004 20:05:31  
I agree on gearing and your brush hog mention. I think that the finish mower (with it"s 3 blades) are overwhelmed with cut grass that can"t eject fast enough and stall out the blades. With 20-25 hp driving them, they can easily load up the PTO and subsequently bring down the engine.

Get a brush hog for that. Finish mower was made for your lawn. Besides the little wheels on them were made for flat lawn, not mountanous varations that exist in most pastures.

Mark

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Gerald J.

08-27-2004 17:00:36




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 Re: Limitations of TO20 in reply to Nick, 08-27-2004 16:30:59  
Do the cut ends of the grass blades turn brown a couple days after mowing? Look close. That's a sign you are smashing the grass off with a blunt blade. Sharpen the blades...

Then cut in stages. Either make a pass with the mower high, so you take off only 5 or 6 inches. With the deck raised the cuttings can get out much better. Or cut a narrower swath so you cut less material. Start cutting maybe a quarter swath, then widen it as much as you can cut.

But above all, sharpen the blades. You'll dull them cutting acres of late summer grasses, to say nothing of the mole hills and rocks that you are bound to find.

Gerald J.

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