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to-20, 3-point lift wont stay still !!!

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Bernie in Arizo

09-13-2004 07:54:14




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I just bought a box scraper for my to-20. 3-point lift works good and strong however, when I set the box at a certain height, it wont stay there very long. It seems to want to travel on its own, I heard about the "zane thang", but not exactly sure what it is.

I was told that the 3-point is a "draft" type, but don't really understand that either.

I have had several other tractors, kubota, JD, and their lifts would "stay-put" when told (like good little lifts should!) I am assuming that my to-20 lift is working correctly, but I just don't understand this draft-type lift. Anyone have any home-made remedies to fix this?

Thanks for explaining to me
Bernie

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ZANE

09-14-2004 18:57:37




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 Re: to-20, 3-point lift wont stay still !!! in reply to Bernie in Arizona, 09-13-2004 07:54:14  
You can remedy the problem you are having with the position control by seeing the link below.

Zane



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Jeff-oh

09-14-2004 05:41:52




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 Re: to-20, 3-point lift wont stay still !!! in reply to Bernie in Arizona, 09-13-2004 07:54:14  
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If you go to the "Galleries" area to the left and choose "Parts & Pieces" section and then search on "position". You will see several pictures of position controls. There is even a measured drawing. The picture of the skinny bar is the Zane thang.

If you wish copies of the drawing posted in a more legable format post an e-mail and I will send it to you.

Jeff

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bobby16781

09-13-2004 13:05:20




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 Re: to-20, 3-point lift wont stay still !!! in reply to Bernie in Arizona, 09-13-2004 07:54:14  
bernie, check under the seat to the right of the seat mount. see if there is a little lever about 2" tall. if it has this lever, it has position control, if it does not, then it won't. reason i ask,is my father has a 8n 1950 which has position control. i found that if i just use the lift lever only with something light as a scraper blade,or similar. you have to chase the lever, with position control, it like puts the lever in fine tune mode. then allows you to control the lift better.i dont remember seeing this lever on older tractors. another thing you might check is, on the back of your tractor, where you attach the upper link to the tractor, there should be two or three positions you can attach the upper link too. the higher away from the pivot you set your upper link makes your blade more sensitive to the ground,experimenting with this position might improve your blades reaction to the inputs. one more thing. does your lift settle over night? if so it might be an indicator that the "o"ring on the lift piston might leak a little pressure, which will also cause erratic behaveour and since the hydraulic pump is a piston type pump instead of a vane pump it doesnt supply a contant pressure to the piston, we corrected my fathers by machining two more grooves in the piston and added two more "o" rings. holds pressure alot better, and took most of the "knock" out of the hydraulics. but this fix might not improve the lift much.you can email me if you have more questions about this topic. i do understand how the draft control works. bobby16781@epowerc.net

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gshadel

09-13-2004 11:01:59




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 Re: to-20, 3-point lift wont stay still !!! in reply to Bernie in Arizona, 09-13-2004 07:54:14  
What Jim said is right on the money. You need a position controller. You can probably get plans to make a controller out of the archives and scrounge parts to get it together pretty cheap. Or you can order a Thang.
I got a Zane Thang probably 5 years ago after digging up 1/2 my driveway trying to scrape snow. The Thang might cost a few bucks more than making one yourself, but it installs in about 10 minutes with a couple wrenches, and your off and running. Time is money!
Good luck!

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Jim W

09-13-2004 08:17:09




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 Re: to-20, 3-point lift wont stay still !!! in reply to Bernie in Arizona, 09-13-2004 07:54:14  
Basically there is draft control which keeps an instrument at a constant depth within the soil, and there is position control which keeps them at a constant height when above the soil.
The Ferguson has draft control but not position control. The Zane Thang is a home made remedy, and there are others. If you do a search on the archives you will see quite a bit written about this. People have rigged up their own versions too; they are usually some version of the Zane Thang which feeds back the height of the implement to the control lever - if the implement drops a bit, it pulls the lever up a bit which raises the implement, and so on.
Jim

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