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Follow up to question about buying Ferguson

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Brian of Arkans

10-03-2004 15:59:16




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Thanks for the input. The tag under the steering colum is to painted over to read. The motor number on the block is Z120AB00???

It appears to run fair and started easily. The right side axel is leaking and has leaked on the breaking machanism. The fenders and hood are functional but are dented and surface rusted in most area. No cancer that I can find. The battery and alternator seem to be a 12 volt system. Other than the right axel the only other possible leak is the steering gear box shows ome sign of past leakage but none currently. I am not sure of the name of this part .... The left front spindle which turns holds the wheel onto the front axel is worn allowing the tire to camber slightly inwards toward the linkage. When I pull on it I can cause it to back away from the linkage. I assume there is a bushing worn at the top. The right wheel looks to be firm and in place. There is a linkage rod which passes through near the front of the transmission. I do not completely rememember if it is to the brakes or the steering??? It does not appear to pass through the fluid side but more to the bell housing side. It rattle and has play as though it is missing a bushig as well. The fuel tank badly dented and shows signs of many repairs. All of the tires are in good shape except the one front left. It is seperating right across its width almost like a seam came apart. Other than that the rest are not dry rotted and have 80% or more tread.


The asking price from the seller is with bush hog attachment is 1000.00 US I have done a lot of reading and am not sure which way to go. I can build or fix anything I come into contact with. I do not fear the work... Its just that I have to many projects I have bought with the intentions of one day completing...grin


Any suggestions as to value (price) or cost of repairs expected would be appreciated. I have been pricing tractors and came to realize that they are quite expensive even fifty year old ones?????

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Norm in Ont.

10-03-2004 17:24:09




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 Re: Follow up to question about buying Ferguson in reply to Brian of Arkansas, 10-03-2004 15:59:16  
I have to agree very much with Jim on this. All depends on what your time is worth cause you know there is some for what you see at this moment. The price seems fair and expect to spend at least $300.00 more to bring it on par assuming you change all lubricants, spark plugs and points and wires and misc. small parts needed from you observation. By the way if you do decide to purchase the unit ask here again for pointers it will be well worth your time and money.

Z120 is the type of Continental engine btw.

Personally I would base my decision by budget. If you can afford more there is much to gain to consider a better unit like a TO 35 with dual clutch in good condition but for the price and some TLC this seems like a good buy.

If at all possible I would suggest strongly to perform a compression test and verify the hydraulics if it can lift the implement properly.
There are numerous posts here on how to perform these tests if in doubt ask.

Good Luck

Norm

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Jim W

10-03-2004 16:49:50




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 Re: Follow up to question about buying Ferguson in reply to Brian of Arkansas, 10-03-2004 15:59:16  
Cost of repairs? What's your time worth? You know that if you spend more, and get one with everything already dealt with, that you won't mind having paid a higher price about two days later.
You could buy this one; it does sound like a very attractive price. Then some other project you have been hoping to complete for years will get put off yet again while you are distracted getting the Fergy ready.
None of these repairs are actually difficult or require bizarre tools - just more of your time. Not trying to sound overly negative here but I constantly fall into the same trap and have to make a very conscious effort to hold myself back from what appears to be "a deal".
The rods you speak of are I think the radius arms. There are no bushings in there; it is just wear. All you can do is build it up by welding and grinding. The front tire is not expensive. The steering box seals always leak on these; you can fix them for about 5 bucks a side. (It's probably not leaking anymore dure to lack of oil.)
Well those are my two cents fwiw.
Jim

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Brian of Arkansas

10-03-2004 17:08:25




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 How much time???? in reply to Jim W, 10-03-2004 16:49:50  
If I was to look for one with these repairs I still might get one with yet another problem. If I do the work myself I will know it is done correct and will not come back to haunt me.

I have found that my procrastination seems to be directly related to amount of effort and reward....grin. The easy parts are a breeze. The hard parts are a breeze the long term ones seem to be the ones that I procrastinate on. I am not proud of my patience. I like instant gratification....

I do not have enough money to spend several thousand dollars on a newer tractor nor do I have the patience for the long term project. I can handle three or four day repair projects but that is about my limit of interest...

I have found it is best to be honest with oneself as well when it comes to buying something that is the proverbial deal....

If it would have had a blade with it I would have bought it for sure. Since my need is greater in that area....grin Now I read that this 3 point will drif and require constant attention or yet another expense of a controller...


How reliable is this model once I take care of these basic repairs. Also any idea as to how much parts money I will spend on the 3 point pump repairs and the axel seal?
The axel seal scared me when I read tht one fella spent 1000.00 on having both of his done. I am hoping that was labor and materials????

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Mr Chapp

10-04-2004 19:42:52




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 Re: How much time???? in reply to Brian of Arkansas, 10-03-2004 17:08:25  
Brian...Let me jump in here for one min.. I paid a great deal more for my to20 and I'm still happy. My left axle seal still leaks. The right brake works well, so I ignore it. My alternator doesn't charge, so I trickle charge the battery until I get around to re-wiring the whole thing. We can go on and on, but the end answer is that the little tractors are very forgiving and really hard workers. For the price I'd highly recomend it!! Good luck, have fun!! Mike

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Brian from Arkansas

10-04-2004 06:47:46




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 Its not a lot of money . But............. in reply to Brian of Arkansas, 10-03-2004 17:08:25  
I am very greatful for all of the input.

I guess the last part I will describe is the conditions of which the item is being sold. I know this individual is in great need of money and is not selling by choice. As a matter of fact I am pretty sure he will take less if I bring to his attention the cost I will incur to make the repairs. (I would kinda feel like a smuck beating a person in need, out of money though) Therefore I do not believe that he is selling due to a known needed critical repair that the tractor needs. But on the same token I am pretty sure he performed NO maintenance on it either????

The only implement he has is the bush hog so I know all that he has done with it was bush hog..


Just for my piece of mind I will ask him if I can remove the inspection plates and spend some time looking it over. If he says no I will simply offer seven hundred as is and take my chances. If he counters I will accept any counter up to eight hundred. If he refuses then I will walk away and wait for one with a loader and spend the extra money when that day comes....

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Jim W

10-04-2004 05:07:37




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 Re: How much time???? in reply to Brian of Arkansas, 10-03-2004 17:08:25  
I have to qualify my remarks up front by saying that my experience is with the similar but not identical TEA20.
The axle seal could be quite a bit of work to replace. The early ones (of my model) required pulling the axle and hub (easy) and then removing a shrunk-on collar that keeps the outer bearing in place (pain; requires destruction of collar). Then after the bearing is off (pain) the seal can be replaced (easy), as it's outboard of the bearing. Assembly is not the reverse of removal - the new collar is heated to expand it and then "easily" slides down the axle to its location.
Maybe this could be one task that you could do, then take a break till your patience returns...now on mine I have not done this job as I don't need excellent brakes that badly; I live on flat land and can step on the pedal really hard, and I don't feel like doing this job as for the forseeable future I have better things to do.
Hydraulics though, you would need to attend to. I would call them an interesting learning experience. Between ~probably~ not needing any seriously expensive parts, and not being complicated, if it were me I would take a gamble and consider hydraulics the reason for the low price (again assuming I did my natural thing and pretended to myself that it wouldn't take as long as it most certainly would). You can get the various parts used; there are a number of wreckers around. This would be "test your patience project #2" (although you would need to deal with them first).
The rest is easy stuff. The bush hog vs. blade is a red herring. You can get a used blade quite inexpensively, sell off the hog, and come out ahead of the game. (More time and hassle of course, but, dollar-wise.)
Just a note about the drift of the hydraulics requiring constant attention - this only applies if you need to keep an implement a constant height above the ground. I have found I never need to do this. For any blade work I have done, albeit it hasn't been much, I wish the blade were heavier so it would bite more. The other main thing I do is blow snow and the blower rests on the ground for that as well.
Jim
PS How reliable once done? I think you will find the consensus on this message board is "very".

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Norm in Ont.

10-03-2004 18:04:12




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 Re: How much time???? in reply to Brian of Arkansas, 10-03-2004 17:08:25  
Hehe I was posting as you were replying. Nevertheless Brian I am in doubt if you should even consider purchasing it based on the patience limit you indicated. I mean this is a fifty year old piece of fine equipment where some half that age don't even start which should answer to its reliability.Expect your 3 to 4 days limit of patience work to be put to the test. These units will more than reward the effort put into them but may not be your thing.
Sorry to be upfront, my bad to be honest.

You can definitely consider exchanging the bush hog for a blade if that is what you need most.
As for the seal repair Jim can correct me on this model but my TO 35 has two seals per side and when I purchased the tractor it was leaking on both sides. I decided to change the outer seals only and this has corrected the leak. The inner seals are quite more difficult to change if needed but it is another story too long for this post.
My cost to replace the axle seals? $15.00 and a days work.

In a nutshell the whole forum here are a whole lot of people like you and I that are much satisfied with their Fergies and love to keep them in shape so they can probably operate for another 50 years.

Good Luck Brian

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