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REX

10-30-2004 13:22:47




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Help , I have a 1952 Ferguson TO30 and I had a drag blade hooked up on it . When I started it I forgot to turn the gas on and the tractor died when I was raising the blade with the three point . Now the tractor wont turn over starter just wines ,took starter out and had rebuilt put back in and the same thing happened . the motor won"t turn over and something appears to be locked up .Tried to pull start in 4th gear and when you let out clutchtires won"t turn they just drag . Is there something in the 3 point system that could cause this or is there bigger problems PLEASE HELP ME IF YOU CAN THANK"S , ROBERT

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REX

11-03-2004 04:21:32




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 Re: 1952 Ferguson in reply to REX, 10-30-2004 13:22:47  
hey Jerry thank's once again after youre first reply I did more checking and the wining in the starter was that it wasn't hitting the ring gear , it was just going in and hitting nothing . measured and found that the ring gear is pushed back to far for the starter to hit it . Thank's , Robert



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Jerry/MT

10-30-2004 19:16:45




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 Re: 1952 Ferguson in reply to REX, 10-30-2004 13:22:47  
These machines are known to have the ring gear come off the flywheel due to a bad design. The original design sweated the ring gear on from the rear of the flywheel. The start whacks the ring gear every time you try to start and it will eventually come off. Some people try to weld the ring gear back on but unless you know how to weld white cast iron, it's a iffy fix. Ihad the same problem with my '54 TO-30 and when I split the tractor I found someone had try to repair it by welding. There is a redesigned flywheel available that you can get from salvage yards. The flywheel has a machined lip on the back edge and the ring gear is pressed on from the front so it fixes the problem permanently.
While you have your starter off, look at the rng gear. You'll probably notice that it's on the flywheel cattywampus. Not only that, if it's like mine, it's caughtt between the flywheel and the bell housing so you can't turn the motor over by dragging the machine.
the fix requires you split the tractor, but it's not that difficult of a job. Get a fasctory manual and the instructions are clear. Youll need a fixed jack and a floor jac with rollers , some blocking and a 2x4 to keep the engine from rolling about the front axle pin when you split it. You can also check the clutch, pressure plate and throw out bearing while you're at it.
If you need more help, just let me know.

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rex

11-01-2004 13:35:50




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 Re: 1952 Ferguson in reply to Jerry/MT, 10-30-2004 19:16:45  
Hey Jerry thank"s for the info I live in Champaign Il. can you tell me where to get a ring gear like youre talking about thank"s to everyone for the info. Robert



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Jerry/MT

11-02-2004 14:32:23




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 Re: 1952 Ferguson in reply to rex, 11-01-2004 13:35:50  
Have you determined that the ring gear came off the flywheel? The ring gear flywheel combination is what is required and and I got mine from Draper Tractor Salvage in Colfax, Washington, But it'll cost you a fortune to ship if they have one. Do a web search for tractor salvage yards, find one in your area and make sure that you ask for a TO-30 flywheel with the part number Z-120 C-4020. The original TO-30 flywheel should have the correct design but yours, like mine, was probably changed out.

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John (UK)

10-31-2004 09:21:36




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 Re: 1952 Ferguson in reply to Jerry/MT, 10-30-2004 19:16:45  
Jerry I thought it was only the early models of the TO20 that had that problem, this guy says he has a TO30 I would have thought by the time they got to 1952 they would known of their design fault. Oh yeah....cattywampus???? is this a US technical term that we should know about...lol
..John



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Jerry/MT

10-31-2004 18:11:11




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 Re: 1952 Ferguson in reply to John (UK), 10-31-2004 09:21:36  
John,I had the problem on my '54 TO-30 but who's to say it was the original flywheel. On tractors that are fifty years old, I don't know how one tells which parts are original.My shop manual states that the original design was used prior to unit TO 10282, which would be TO-20's. When I replaced the flywheel, I made sure that I had the modified design.

And cattywampus is almost the same as lopgaggled, but a little worse. I wish I could remember some of the similar terms I learned from my friends at Rolls-Royce! Cheers!

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Gene Stevens

10-31-2004 18:58:22




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 Re: 1952 Ferguson in reply to Jerry/MT, 10-31-2004 18:11:11  
Actually it ia "womper jawed." If it is really bad...it's catty wompus!"



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John (UK)

11-01-2004 11:24:04




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 Re: 1952 Ferguson in reply to Gene Stevens, 10-31-2004 18:58:22  
AAAh...Thats all clearer now....Thanks!



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