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Oil Coming out of my PTO Shaft Port

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North Bay, Cana

12-22-2004 05:22:44




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This can't be a good thing. After about 45 minutes of manhadling my snowblower to mount it back onto my TEA 20, it wouldn't lower to the ground. (The same thing happened last week after I installed my new 6" PTO adaptor sleeve, but after a few minutes, it settled to the ground and I did my driveway). So last night, I rocked the blower back & forth a couple of times, and it finally lowered to the ground and I began blowing snow. Then it started making a grinding/squealing noise, so I stopped, raised & lowered the blower and started again. After a few minutes, the noise returned, then I noticed a flow of dark oil coming from my PTO port.

I am not mechanicaaly inclined at all (half the discussions on this post are Greek to me, but I enjoy reading them anyways) and I don't have a shop, so I'm going to have to call the local service guys.

Can anyone tell me what I've done and how much trouble I'm in? I'm sure it's a lot because it seems like everything I have touched recently I've broken. And just to add insult to injury, we're now under a winter storm warning for tomorrow (15-20cm).

Gary

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John (UK)

12-28-2004 11:17:32




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 Re: Oil Coming out of my PTO Shaft Port in reply to North Bay, Canada, 12-22-2004 05:22:44  
The geometry that everyone is talking about should be:- from centre of lower link pins to centre of top link pin on the implement should be 18 1/2 inches if its more than this when the blower is raised it will compress the Control spring and not allow the implement to lower till the pressure eases off
The squealing from the PTO, have you check that the PTO shaft isnt too long and when you raise the blower it is fully compressed so it loads up the PTO bearing? If this is the case you will have to cut the PTO shaft on the blower taking an equal amount of both halves of the shaft. Actually thinking about it this could be your problem with the hydraulics, as the implement is raised the shaft compresses and pushes the bottom of the blower away from the tractor, but in doing that it also pushes the TOP of the blower towards the tractor and that in turn compresses the Control Spring...try the blower lifting and lowering without the PTO attached to the tractor.

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bobcaygeon steve

12-24-2004 07:54:38




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 Re: Oil Coming out of my PTO Shaft Port in reply to North Bay, Canada, 12-22-2004 05:22:44  
If you raise the 3PTH to high with the blower on it,or any other implement for that matter. The upward pressure on the PTO shaft will take the PTO seal out quicker that anything. I don't find them very durable anyway. I generally replace mine once a year. I agree with James the squeeling is more than likely related to the geometry of your 3PTH set-up. Which will contribute to the above issues.



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James, UK

12-22-2004 13:23:11




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 Re: Oil Coming out of my PTO Shaft Port in reply to North Bay, Canada, 12-22-2004 05:22:44  
OK Gary, here we go again . . . this is my best shot at what you have, so here goes.

When the hydraulics don't want to lower the implement back to the ground, it is usually a problem with the top link being too long - so wind it in a bit to reduce top link length.

If the top link geometry is wrong, then when you lift the plough it compresses the spring you can see behind the top link under the seat, which makes the hydraulics think they need to lift to clear an obstruction (eg when ploughing ( = plowing to you) - so when thinking they need to lift, you ask them to lower which they don't want to because the spring is under pressure - and things get really confused mechanically speaking.

Tractors are sensitive to geometry - I found this out last year when ploughing with a Category 2 plough that had been 'modified' to fit a Category 1 tractor - it took me weeks of fiddling, resetting the hydraulics and some helpful feedback from John (UK) before I finally fixed it.

As far as the oil coming from round your PTO shaft is concerned, that is just a seal gone, possibly due to bearing failure round the exposed end of the shaft. This is not a big problem, and is easily fixed - so is cheap :)

Another thing you could check is that when your plough is raised or lowered, that the PTO drive shaft on the implement is not under pressure and is free to slide about a bit - if the shaft is too long it will put undue pressure on the tractor PTO which will not be good long term.

Hope this all makes sense - I'll check in tomorrow 23/12/04 to see if you have any questions I can answer before you wake up.

HTH

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James, UK

12-23-2004 01:07:02




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 Re: Squealing in reply to James, UK, 12-22-2004 13:23:11  
I am more and more convinced that what I said last night about length of PTO drive shaft may have something to do with your oil leak.

If you didn't get the problem you have described with your old PTO adaptor, and have only just got the problem with the new one, it could be that the extra length (about 3") on the 6" adaptor is creating axial load (along the tractor and implement PTO shafts).

When in use, this would create undue loading on the PTO bearing in the back end of the tractor, and as the bearing failed it would certainly squeal!!

Again, this should not be expensive to fix, provided no damage has been done inside the back end, eg to the hydraulic pump, which is driven off the PTO shaft.

To get a feeling on cost, look in the suppliers listing to the left and see if you can find a PTO shaft and bearing - come to that, if you need to replace the shaft, you might as well upgrade to the 1 3/8" shaft and get rid of the adaptor.

To cure the problem, you may need to reduce the length of the PTO shaft - ask your service agent to do this if you are not sure how.

HTH

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