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Bill Waugh

03-13-2005 11:54:59




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Hey guys... Love the forum! here's one... My TEA (Zenith 24 T 2 carb) won't run anymore.... It was a "gift" from a friend and I used it all last summer grading my driveway, smoothing out my rough playfield etc. without any real problems. This past fall I went out to plow off the first snowfall, started sliding around a bit, went to put on the chains and before I got back to the barn, it quit. I thought it may be out of fuel, but it was just filled up, spark plugs were new, battery was new, there were no "out of the ordinary" leaks... it just quit. I've since rebuilt the carb, installed a new fuel line, and checked the timing (Hey... there really IS a hole there!). Now if I go to start it, it will fire up, run for one or two minutes and then stop. I'm thinking there's a flooding situation going on, but it doesn't smell all that gassy.... and the carb looked clean and complete when I rebuilt it .... any ideas?

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gshadel

03-14-2005 09:29:08




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 Re: My poor old tractor... in reply to Bill Waugh, 03-13-2005 11:54:59  
One more opinion...
All the other guys are right, by all means make sure you have good gas flow first. You should have a good solid, steady stream of gas, not a trickle, when you pull the carb drain plug, and it should keep right on running beyond a couple minutes to make sure you are seeing fuel flow from the tank, not just draining the gas bowl on the carb. Once you are satisfied that is OK, if you still have trouble, check your spark right when the engine dies. I've heard quite a few stories of coils, key switches (if you have one), and condensers shorting out when they get hot. Once they cool down, they work again... until they get hot again. I had an old key switch that would short out when I hit a good bump, my trator ran like crap for a while until I figured out what was going on and replaced the key switch.

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Paul in AZ

03-14-2005 05:56:33




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 Re: My poor old tractor... in reply to Bill Waugh, 03-13-2005 11:54:59  
If you are getting fuel and the problem persists, it just could be a bad coil. I had that problem once. When the coil got heated up, it quit until it cooled down, then it would work again for a while until it got hot again.



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Jerry/MT

03-13-2005 19:34:42




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 Re: My poor old tractor... in reply to Bill Waugh, 03-13-2005 11:54:59  
By all means make sure that you have an adequate fuel supply, but also check your spark. It should be a nice, fat, bluish white. No orange. If it's not then make sure that your points are clean and set right, your condensor is good. And make sure your timing is right.



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tg in VA

03-13-2005 18:37:58




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 Re: My poor old tractor... in reply to Bill Waugh, 03-13-2005 11:54:59  
Sounds like you have trash in the fuel tank. Try unscrewing the entire sediment bowl apparatus. You will be surprised how much trash comes out. I had a similar problem with a MF Industrial 20 and after cleaning out the tank I made a trap using 3/8" galvanizewd pipe. I took a short piece threaded on both ends, screwed one end into the tank and screwed a "T" on the other end. I put an "el" to the "T" and screwed the sediment bowl apparatus to the "el." I screwed a 3 or 4" piece with a cap on one end to the bottom of the "T". I remove the cap perodically and let the trash drain out. It was a $2 cure to a frustrating problem.
Also, there is a filter on the carb end of the fuel line. Be sure to remove it and blow it out.
As a matter of fact, you should try this first. I had a problem similar to yours with a TO35 and that clogged filter was the culprit.

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tg in VA

03-13-2005 18:38:13




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 Re: My poor old tractor... in reply to Bill Waugh, 03-13-2005 11:54:59  
Sounds like you have trash in the fuel tank. Try unscrewing the entire sediment bowl apparatus. You will be surprised how much trash comes out. I had a similar problem with a MF Industrial 20 and after cleaning out the tank I made a trap using 3/8" galvanizewd pipe. I took a short piece threaded on both ends, screwed one end into the tank and screwed a "T" on the other end. I put an "el" to the "T" and screwed the sediment bowl apparatus to the "el." I screwed a 3 or 4" piece with a cap on one end to the bottom of the "T". I remove the cap perodically and let the trash drain out. It was a $2 cure to a frustrating problem.
Also, there is a filter on the carb end of the fuel line. Be sure to remove it and blow it out.
As a matter of fact, you should try this first. I had a problem similar to yours with a TO35 and that clogged filter was the culprit.

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Ryan

03-13-2005 17:18:46




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 Re: My poor old tractor... in reply to Bill Waugh, 03-13-2005 11:54:59  
Have you replaced the condensor in the distributor?

Ryan



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John (UK)

03-13-2005 12:13:30




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 Re: My poor old tractor... in reply to Bill Waugh, 03-13-2005 11:54:59  
check the fuel flow to the carb first, sounds like it may be running on just a carb full.



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Bill Waugh

03-13-2005 12:18:55




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 Re: My poor old tractor... in reply to John (UK), 03-13-2005 12:13:30  
Thank for the quick reply, John... I have a steady trickle out of the bottom of the carb when I open the drain valve... I'm also noticing a touch of fuel coming out of the carb by the choke plate... just a few drops, but... ?



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MUS OUALI

03-14-2005 14:54:15




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 Re: My poor old tractor... in reply to Bill Waugh, 03-13-2005 12:18:55  
I HAVE A LAWNMOWER THAT WAS ON THE PROPERTY AND I WANT TO PUT BACK AS IT WAS.NO ENGINE ON THE CHASSIS,.!!!
ITS MASSEY FERGUSON MF7.
Q: WHAT ENGINE DO I NEED TO PUT ON THIS BODY?
BRAND /HORSEPOWER THANKS FOR YOUR HELP !!!!



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gregg

03-15-2005 04:09:19




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 Re: My poor old tractor... in reply to MUS OUALI, 03-14-2005 14:54:15  
The original engine is a Tecumseh H70 .



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danct

03-13-2005 13:59:50




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 Re: My poor old tractor... in reply to Bill Waugh, 03-13-2005 12:18:55  
Bill
the gas has to be more than a trickle it has to be a steady stream,i had the same problem and i took off the sediment bowl off the tank and shoved a piece of wire up into the tank i couldnt believe the crap that came out of there ,you said you replaced the fuel line ,did you also replace the strainer in the elbow into the carb,i had to dedo my tank and that solved my troubles but thats another story
\let us know
Danny

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danct

03-13-2005 13:59:44




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 Re: My poor old tractor... in reply to Bill Waugh, 03-13-2005 12:18:55  
Bill
the gas has to be more than a trickle it has to be a steady stream,i had the same problem and i took off the sediment bowl off the tank and shoved a piece of wire up into the tank i couldnt believe the crap that came out of there ,you said you replaced the fuel line ,did you also replace the strainer in the elbow into the carb,i had to dedo my tank and that solved my troubles but thats another story
\let us know
Danny

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John (UK)

03-13-2005 13:47:10




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 Re: My poor old tractor... in reply to Bill Waugh, 03-13-2005 12:18:55  
Leave it with the drain open for a while to see if it stops, you can catch the fuel in a jug and use it again, but you need to check the flow. It could be the at the tank end, there is a filter in the tank on top of the fuel bowl and it may be blocking. The fuel shouldn't come out by the choke plate if is floods at all it will be the valve on top of the float., check the flow from the tank though.

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