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mkbc14

04-26-2005 18:06:06




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I have a tea20 harry ferguson a govenor broke and went in the timing chain .I replaced govenors and timing chain and sprockets I timed it by bringing #1 cylinder to tdc and alined the hole on the fly wheel with the hole on the block by the starter and had the rotor copper side faceing #1 cylinder put it back together now it wont start not even a pop and got good spark. any sugestons. Im thinking i timed it wrong PLEASE HELP ME

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John(UK)

04-29-2005 08:24:40




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 Re: timing in reply to mkbc14, 04-26-2005 18:06:06  
If you are still confused after all these answers, mail me at:- fergusontractors at tiscali dot co dot uk
and I will send you the information.
Just remind me what you want when you mail me though please, it will save me searching.



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gerard

04-27-2005 13:05:14




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 Re: timing in reply to mkbc14, 04-26-2005 18:06:06  
As others have said, it's easy to time an engine 180* out (ie camshaft / crank timing is OK, but ignition is 180* out.
If this is the case, swap ignition leads thus:
no1 with no4 & no2 with no3. If that doesn't make it run fine, then you've other problems.
If so, go back to basics - get no1 cyl at TDC (check with screwdriver/ wire etc through plughole - get piston at top. Then check valves -either no1 or no4 cylinder should be 'rocking' - ie both inlet and exhaust valves slightly open. If neither are, then your valve timing needs re-setting. If they ARE, whichever one of the two ISN'T 'rocking' is at firing point. Distributor points should be just opening, with the rotor arm pointing at the distributor lead to that cylinder.
Good luck.

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Jerry/MT

04-26-2005 21:43:11




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 Re: timing in reply to mkbc14, 04-26-2005 18:06:06  
When you locate the TDC on the #1 cylinder, you have to make sure that both the #1 intake and exhaust valves are closed to be sure that you are at the end of the compression stroke. If you didn't do that it's possible that as Jim says you are 180 degrees out of time. The other possibility is that you don't have the ignition timing set properly. You can be 180 degrees out on that also. To check that, remove the #1 plug and and with somebody tapping the starter, hold you finger on the spark plug hole and when you feel strong pressure, you're on the compression stroke. Your distributor rotor should be approaching the #1 ignition wire terminal on the distributor. If it isn't then your out of time with the distributor.

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Jim W

04-26-2005 20:33:22




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 Re: timing in reply to mkbc14, 04-26-2005 18:06:06  
How condident are you that the camshaft is in the right place relative to the crank?
It would be possible to have the #1 piston at TDC and have your spark plug firing but be at the top of the exhaust stroke instead of the compression stroke i.e have your cam 180 degrees out.
I think that means if you hook your #3 spark plug wire to #1 cylinder, etc, it should work out.
Jim



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