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Hydraulic/Drive train Flush of Sludge

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Jim in OH

05-08-2005 21:53:34




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Just drained the Oil in my TO-30. There is a lot of dirty looking sludge lying in the bottom of the case. Any tips on how to flush all of this out? I was considering using a garden hand sprayer with diesel.. Any other better ideas?

Jim




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grub0927

05-09-2005 16:12:10




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 Re: Hydraulic/Drive train Flush of Sludge in reply to Jim in OH, 05-08-2005 21:53:34  
You'll need six gallons of GL-1 oil. Get it at NAPA as p/n 65-205 and 65-201 (5gal+1gal)



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Jeff-oh

05-09-2005 05:59:58




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 Re: Hydraulic/Drive train Flush of Sludge in reply to Jim in OH, 05-08-2005 21:53:34  
Jim, This is a procedure I posted awhile back.

This is the procedure I used to clean my transmission oil housing. You will need to wash out the old fluid. Any remaining fluid will contaminate the new fluid. If you have time in the evenings start to drain the tractor now. She will drip for hours/days.
You should also be prepared to deal with the gallons of fluids you the will gush out of the tractor. Have containers ready to pour the old oil in to take to your auto parts store for recycling.

Do your lift arms drop/leak down quickly? If so prior to draining the fluid pull the right and left side inspection plates. Lift an implement and look to see where the fluid is leaking out of the system as the lift lowers. Then you can repair/replace the required parts without the fluid in the way.

I would also recommend the you replace the PTO seal and O-ring seal if needed at this time and replace the inspection plate gaskets. The inspection plate gaskets are fairly easy to cut yourself if you need to.

Open the drains one at a time to handle the gush of fluid. Once you have gone through all of them open them all up again with a pan under each and let it drip at least over night. Make sure your lift control is in the down position to drain the piston.

You should plan on "washing/Flushing" out the inside. Particularly if you have water in the oil... i.e. if brown/milky. To wash the inside use either kerosene or diesel. I put mine in a garden sprayer and sprayed the insides down. I put the garden sprayer nozzle everywhere I can, up the PTO shaft opening, if you pulled it. Through the Filler hole, through the inspection ports, through each drain plug. I catch the diesel in clean oil pans let it settle then decant the "clean" fluid off the sludge and spray again, and again. Go have a beer and let it drain. I then wipe out the bottom with clean paper towels to get the crud out. (do not use cheap towels here you do not want them falling apart). If your fluid had water in it, the "Milky" oil will continue to appear for a while, I just came back and wiped it out again, and again util gone.

This is a good time to do other maintenance. Grease the fittings, Pull the air filter and clean it.

Be sure to do the diesel flush with good ventilation. The fumes are powerful.

Button her back up with your new seals and fill. Toward the end fill slowly... i.e. quart or 1/2 liter per 5 to 10 minutes. To let it all even out in the sumps. The first time I changed the oil I did not do this and I over filled by a gallon and a half. And because I did not wash out the back that gallon and a half was now contaminated and useless.

You will be glad you did this when it is done.

Jeff

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Jim in OH

05-09-2005 08:35:16




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 Re: Gaskets? Hydraulic/Drive Train Flush of Sludge in reply to Jeff-oh, 05-09-2005 05:59:58  
Thanks.. all very good information!!! When you and others say "inspection plates", I assume that you mean the circlular covers on both sides (left with the PTO engagment and the right with the dip stick).

The oil drained was very clear and quite clean looking, although more like 40 wt motor oil, definitely not 90wt.... The sludge is heavy brown and gritty lying about 1/4" to 1/2" on the bottom. IT is not white or milky indicating little or no water. The brown could be rust particles or dirt or both.

I will pull the PTO shaft. It was leaking significantly. I will also remove the transmission cover to have a look-see.

Are there sources of precut gaskets? I don't mind cutting them, but since I travel every week, I'd rather have the parts available than be spending the precious little time available making them.

Thanks again..

Jim

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Jeff-oh

05-09-2005 10:29:06




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 Re: Gaskets? Hydraulic/Drive Train Flush of Sludge in reply to Jim in OH, 05-09-2005 08:35:16  
The inspection plates are the round covers on both sides. Do not be afraid to take them off. These gaskets are available from a MF dealer. Go to a full line dealer as the little yard and garden dealers have to pay a premium to AGCO to get tractor parts.

You will need to go to them for the PTO seal any way.

If the sludge is thick then you may want to cover the sludge with diesal and let it soak and thin out the sludge. Only concern is to avoid making it loose and leaving it in the trans to clog things up later.

So where are you in the great state of Ohio?

Jeff - Near Cincinnati.

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Jim in OH

05-09-2005 11:04:33




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 Re: Gaskets? Hydraulic/Drive Train Flush of Sludge in reply to Jeff-oh, 05-09-2005 10:29:06  
Near Toledo... but not that simple.... we have a family farm run by my brother about 20 miles west of Toledo, which is where the tractor is... but I am working in Terre Haute, Indiana. I only get back to the farm once or twice a month on a weekend. I'll look for a MF dealer somewhere here in Indiana so I can pick up the pieces this week...

Thanks

Jim



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Jeff-oh

05-09-2005 14:12:46




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 Re: Gaskets? Hydraulic/Drive Train Flush of Sludge in reply to Jim in OH, 05-09-2005 11:04:33  
Here are the MF dealers near Terre Haute...

The link has a dealer look-up in the upper left hand corner. Just enter a Zip Code.

26 Miles CHRISMAN FARM CENTER, INC. 22057 ILLINOIS HWY. 1 CHRISMAN , IL 61924 217-2692412

34 Miles J.J.E.T. RENTALS, SALES & SERV P.O. BOX 70 905 NORTH ROUTE 49 CASEY, IL 62420 217-9329033

37 Miles SHOFFNER FARM EQUIPMENT, INC. 8780 E. US HIGHWAY 40 FILLMORE , IN 46128 317-5397376

55 Miles NEWTON IMPLEMENT COMPANY 9460 E. STATE HWY 33 NEWTON , IL 62448 618-7838716

58 Miles KUHNS EQUIPMENT COMPANY P.O. BOX 168 ARTHUR , IL 61911 217-5432154

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Jim in OH

05-09-2005 14:33:20




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 Re: Gaskets? Hydraulic/Drive Train Flush of Sludge in reply to Jeff-oh, 05-09-2005 14:12:46  
Called Chrisman's. They didn't have anything except the PTO seal. But found everything except the transmission cover gasket at Davistractor.com, so ordered it there.

Haven't heard of Smith's manufacturing..

Jim



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Jeff-oh

05-10-2005 06:32:19




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 Re: Gaskets? Hydraulic/Drive Train Flush of Sludge in reply to Jim in OH, 05-09-2005 14:33:20  
Smith industries is a small manufacturer Machine shop at 333 S. Third Street.



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Jim in OH

05-10-2005 10:16:59




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 Re: Gaskets? Hydraulic/Drive Train Flush of Sludge in reply to Jeff-oh, 05-10-2005 06:32:19  
Thanks.. good to know.. I always have lots of custom fabrication projects sketched out... a few eventually get made... Jim



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Jeff-oh

05-10-2005 06:32:17




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 Re: Gaskets? Hydraulic/Drive Train Flush of Sludge in reply to Jim in OH, 05-09-2005 14:33:20  
Smith industries is a small manufacturer Machine shop at 333 S. Third Street.



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Jeff-oh

05-09-2005 14:05:54




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 Re: Gaskets? Hydraulic/Drive Train Flush of Sludge in reply to Jim in OH, 05-09-2005 11:04:33  
Terry Ho-tee you say, I work with some of the guys at Smith's Manufacturing.



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Ray,IN

05-08-2005 23:13:13




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 Re: Hydraulic/Drive train Flush of Sludge in reply to Jim in OH, 05-08-2005 21:53:34  
That sprayer will work! Did you remove all 3 drain plugs? If not, about a half-gallon remains in those areas not drained, and it's all sludge. The side inspection plate may be removed from the right side of the Hyd area to gain access if needed. Just remember to get the slotted linkage together when replacing the plate.



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