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Bob V Miller

07-30-2005 09:28:31




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I recently purchased a Ferguson to20 which seems to be in good shape. I don"t think is has been used much in the last few years. I am having a problem maintaining a position on the lift. It does not respond quickly and will not hold the position much of the time. It seems to have gotten some better as I have used it. I have probably only put 4 or 5 hours on it. Any suggestions for improving or repair?

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Jerry/MT

07-30-2005 10:51:13




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 Re: Ferguson to20 in reply to Bob V Miller, 07-30-2005 09:28:31  
When you say "it will not hold position" , do you mean it won't stay up for any length of time or that you can't hold an implement in a fixed positon? If it's the former, you might have a leaking lift cylinder. If it's the latter, the TO
-20 and -30 do not have implement position control. They only have draft control.



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Bob V Miller

07-30-2005 13:23:19




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 Re: Ferguson to20 in reply to Jerry/MT, 07-30-2005 10:51:13  
In using a rotary mower the height is controled by the trailing wheel and the front by by height up or down with the tractor lift. It will hold the position a while they slowly drop till the front of the mower is into the ground. By pulling handle to lift position I can reposition it but it takes much watching. Also don"t know what it should do but when I have the lift up and turn off the tractor it will slowly drop back down

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Jerry/MT

07-31-2005 16:54:32




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 Re: Ferguson to20 in reply to Bob V Miller, 07-30-2005 13:23:19  
Look in the archives for a post by marlowe. He has a mehtod for setting the height of a rotary mower for the TO series (that do not have position control) so that they will hold the height of the mower and it doesn't require any additive hardware. I believe you set the rotary mower on blocks at the height that you want it to be at the front of the mower. Then with the lift control handle locked full down, extend the upper link until the mower just starts to lift off the blocks. The hydraulics will hold that position.

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John (UK)

07-31-2005 09:47:00




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 Re: Ferguson to20 in reply to Bob V Miller, 07-30-2005 13:23:19  
The hydraulics are not supposed to hold up when the engine is switched of, why would you need that anyway? You don't need limiter chains or a position control to use that mower of yours, This has been discussed a lot over the years and we have a guy on here who sells Hogs and this is what he wrote some time ago in answer to a question like you have:-

Posted by marlowe on June 23, 2004 at 16:01:09 from (209.103.204.81):

In Reply to: position control...chains?? posted by mr chapp on June 23, 2004 at 06:16:49:

dear mister chapp. i have sold and serviced hogs for years and see this all the time. PLEASE don't take this wrong but it's a real common mistake that they are not being mounted right.i know what your thinking how hard is it to put a hog on a tractor and go cut some grass? but!! your hog has a tail wheel right? your tractor has 2 lower lift arms right? set your hog on a 4x4 so it is level lower your tail wheel so it's on the ground. now put your tractor on but[[[[ DON'T]]] hook up the PTO with tractor running put the 3pt. control lever in the middle of the range and turn your top link so it will get longer and you will feel you 3pt. raise just a little and the stop but when you make the top link long it will raise a little more that because the control piston under the set is being pushed in and that makes you 3pt. lift until the pressure is released.with a little fine tuning and a little setting of the tail wheel up or down for the height of cut you want your hog will cut at the height you want. if you have ANY questions call me i will help you set it right 1-920-446-3296 your hog should not be hanging on the tractor when your cutting but riding on the tail wheel and the 3pt. at a set height and that is controlled by your top link. good luck and if you need help call

Ok so there you have it from a guy who sells them and knows all about them, so it should work ok for you, of course there is the possibility that there is a fault on your hydraulics and there maybe a leak internally. If you cant sort this out, please email me at:-
fergusontractors at tiscali dot co dot uk
and tell me what it is doing and what you have done, anything in fact to give me a clue as to what is happening with it and I will send you information on what to look for and how to do it.

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Bob V Miller

07-31-2005 16:31:17




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 Re: Ferguson to20 in reply to John (UK), 07-31-2005 09:47:00  
Thanks to all who responded. It will be a couple of weeks before I can try out your suggestions. I think they will help a lot.



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Dell (WA)

07-30-2005 18:22:37




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 Re: Ferguson to20 in reply to Bob V Miller, 07-30-2005 13:23:19  
Bob..... ...eather gitt some 3-point "limiter chains" ($20USD, cheap) that prevent yer mower from settling ...or... a "Zane's Thang" ($90USD, cheap) external hydraulic feedback scheme that will keep yer hydraulic height constant. The TO-20's hydraulic draft control will NOT keep a constant height. The chains will collapse when you raise yer mower to clear a stump or rock and will settle right back down to yer pre-determined (by chain length) mowing height.

Many of these old tractors have "weak/leaky" internal hydraulics. Infact many almost "bragg" iff'n their hydraulics will hold up a heavy implement (500#) for 30-mins. Iff'n you can't keep an implement up for 5-mins you need to rebuild yer hydraulics. A good TO-20 hydraulics system will lift about 750# and hold-itt for about 12-hrs..... ..Dell

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steveormary

07-30-2005 20:31:38




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 Re: Ferguson to20 in reply to Dell (WA), 07-30-2005 18:22:37  
Bob,I used limiter chains to set the front hieght of the bush hog. I had to be careful not to lift the hog all the way up as the pto shaft would hit the hog frame. Do not everspeed your engine. You get your 540 pto rpm at not much over half throttle.

steveormary



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