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Ferguson TO-30 : lack of position control

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turkeykirk

09-04-2005 14:29:42




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Can anyone tell me why Mr. Ferguson didn't put position control on his tractors? My 1952 TO-30 dosen't have it, but as I understand it, the Ford 8n's of this time frame do. Did Ford have a patent on this idea or was it something that Ferguson chose not to do. I know that he was a mechanical genus and surely he saw the advantages to this system. Thanks, Mike




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john (UK)

09-05-2005 05:55:15




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 Re: Ferguson TO-30 : lack of position control in reply to turkeykirk, 09-04-2005 14:29:42  
Ferguson did make one for certain implements but it wasn't widely used, Ford had to alter the hydraulic system to get around the Ferguson patents. It was thought at the time that position control was not needed but they did have one if it was proved that it was necessary, obviously there wasn't a big enough demand on the TE's and TO20/30's at the time. It was fitted to the TO35 though. Don't forget when this tractor was made it was never designed to do all the jobs that they started using it for, it was made originally to plough and cultivate and that was more or less it.

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marlowe

09-04-2005 16:12:16




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 Re: Ferguson TO-30 : lack of position control in reply to turkeykirk, 09-04-2005 14:29:42  
i have [5] to-20s and have never once needed position control because ALL of mine are well cared for and all things are working the way they should ALL mine will hold my blad at the point i want. just think about it what ealse do you have thats 50 years old that still works right. if all is right they will hold in the spot you want. also most DON'T under stand the draft control and how it should work

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tea20_aussie

09-04-2005 20:04:34




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 Re: Ferguson TO-30 : lack of position control in reply to marlowe, 09-04-2005 16:12:16  
Hi Marlowe ... just one question which I'm sure has been done to death on previous posts. I use a 5' slasher (I think th US term is rotary cutter) which has no jockey wheels and is 3 point hitch and pto. It drags behind my trusty '48 tea20 on skids, but has to be raised at turns and leaves drag marks in the softer ground (wears out the cutting height skids as well). How can I set position on this, skids off the ground, with out an after market position control.

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marlowe

09-05-2005 08:41:38




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 Re: Ferguson TO-30 : lack of position control in reply to tea20_aussie, 09-04-2005 20:04:34  
you MUST have a tail wheel for the draft control to work and then you will also stop the drag marks



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john (UK)

09-05-2005 06:00:34




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 Re: Ferguson TO-30 : lack of position control in reply to tea20_aussie, 09-04-2005 20:04:34  
The only other way I would think is to use a couple of chains from the long hinged pin down to the lower link pins on the mower/slasher, if you use this method cross the chains though and provide some method of adjusting the length so you can get the adjustment right. Is there any chance that you could fit some castor wheels to the rear of the mower as that would be a better idea as it would follow the ground much better and you can set the tractor to control this automatically then.

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steveormary

09-05-2005 09:44:47




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 Re: Ferguson TO-30 : lack of position control in reply to john (UK), 09-05-2005 06:00:34  
turkeykirk,

We had a flat bar with slots for the top link.There were two slotted bars that bolted to the top link. The sicklebar mower and the grain drill had a chain and clevis device that hooked over the top link that limited the drop on the lift arms. Dont know if I explained that very well.

steveormary



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Bill WI

09-06-2005 08:19:10




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 Re: Ferguson TO-30 : lack of position control in reply to steveormary, 09-05-2005 09:44:47  
I just put chains on mine and it works great compared to the ajustable bars. You can raise it abit if needed and no more bent bars. I drilled 1/2" holes and bolted the chain on the bush hog down by the attachment pins. I have a snap link that I pass that top pin through and have height adjustment there. Like John said crossing the chains would give more sway stability. My cutter has a tailwheel.

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