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to35 runs perfectly for 30 minutes then goes dead

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bhanks55

09-21-2005 10:01:00




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I have a To35 that runs perfectly for 30 minutes sputters then goes dead. The interesting thing is that I heard gurgling in the gas tank and flow in the sediment bowl after it goes dead. I changed the whole sediment bowl assembly because I found it to be worn. I thought this fixed everything, because it worked perfectly for 2 hours that day, 2 hours the next day, one hour the next, and 30 minutes yesterday before reverting back to the going dead and gurgling etc. I did check the fuel line for holes where It might be sucking air and found one next to a hose clamp and cut it off and reattached behind the hole. It is still extremely consistent in going dead
One thing of note is that if I let it sit for ~2 minutes after it goes dead, it will crank and run perfectly for 2-5 minutes and go dead again. I can do this until my battery runs out.

Does anyone have any suggestions? I am not a seriously experienced mechanic. I may need to seek one. Do I have a Carb. problem?

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BOB UK

09-26-2005 11:51:42




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 Re: to35 runs perfectly for 30 minutes then goes d in reply to bhanks55, 09-21-2005 10:01:00  
I have looked through the very good answers that you have had but don't see the following suggestions;
You say you replaced the sediment bowl? did this include the filter bolt that goes up into the tank? Our Petrol/Tvo Ferguson’s and diesels have these over here, they act as a sludge trap in the tank as the fuel must be at lest 1/2" of fuel in the tank before it goes through the filter and down into the sediment bowl.
To prove that it is not fuel starvation just disconnect the fuel line from the carb and let it run into a clean container, if you have a good supply of fuel for a long period of time it will rule out all suggested fault on fuel starvation to the carb, if the carb has a drain screw at the bottom of it by doing the same will eliminate the carb filter as well, all the fuel you let through can go back in the tank so you loose nothing by trying this.

Good luck and keep us all posted on your findings

BOB UK
England

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bhanks55

09-26-2005 13:54:32




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 Re: to35 runs perfectly for 30 minutes then goes d in reply to BOB UK, 09-26-2005 11:51:42  
Thanks for all of your help guys!!
We had another hurricane down here this weekend, so you can imagine that I have had little time to work on my tractor.

BOB UK, Yes, the sediment bowl did have a filter bolt and new filter screen etc.

I replaced the coil on Friday. You guys talking about overheating got me thinking, so I checked the radiator. Full, coolant tested fine. The front of the radiator did have a good bit of chafe on it. (I SHOULD HAVE ALREADY CHECKED THAT!)
I cleaned the chafe, checked all fluid levels and cranked her up.
After about an hour of use, she still was purring like a kitten. However, it was EXTREMELY overcast and cool in comparision to the previous test days. I will run again at a later date when the sun is out. Maybe it is fixed. Could have been the coil or the chafe. Does not appear to be the fuel. We will see and I will keep you updated. Any other suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks again

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Bart CA

09-22-2005 13:39:15




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 Re: to35 runs perfectly for 30 minutes then goes d in reply to bhanks55, 09-21-2005 10:01:00  
Hi 55'

Had same problem few years ago....
It was the ignition switch Switch had bad contacts and heated then quit
after cool down it restarted and ran for 15-20 min and stop again.

Switch can be checked by bypassing the switch with a wire jumper.

HTH

Bart



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Jeff-oh

09-22-2005 05:44:42




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 Is there enough fuel in the tank? in reply to bhanks55, 09-21-2005 10:01:00  
Basic question,

Don't laugh but that question saved me $1000 on a MF 65 I purchased.

Seller wanted $4000, engine cranked and turnned good but would not start. Owner said I put gas in, but there must be rust in tank and the fuel system would have to be replaced. I said cost of carb, tank, lines, fliters and labor is at least $1000. Purchased for $3K.

Took it home, and with a flashlight examined the tank. Clean as a wistle, I see the gas they put in, about 1/2 gallon. The gas didn't even come up to the reserve inlet.

I put in 5 gallons and she started right up, and I haven't had a lick of trouble with the fuel system.

Of course to fill an empty tank all the way would cost around $1000 today.

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bhanks55

09-22-2005 05:56:34




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 Re: Is there enough fuel in the tank? in reply to Jeff-oh, 09-22-2005 05:44:42  
Yes, I made sure there was enough gas. I wondered that myself. After I replaced the sediment bowl I put 5 gallons in.
thanks
great story!



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Jerry/MT

09-21-2005 19:45:41




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 Re: to35 runs perfectly for 30 minutes then goes d in reply to bhanks55, 09-21-2005 10:01:00  
I would have said to check the spark because it sounds like a coil problem , but when you changed out the sediment bowl and it ran for 2 hours, that would tend to rule out the coil.
Here's what I'd do. Check the spark by putting a paper clip or bent wire in the spark plug boot, hold it near a good ground and with the key on, crnak it over. If the spark is fat and bluish your problem may not be the ignition system.

Next, open the fuel valve wide open, get a good sized container (to catch the $3/gal gas)and unscrew the plug in the bottom of the carb. Fuel should pour continuously (like a cow peein' on a flat rock) out of the bottom of the carb for as long as the valve is open. If it doesn't, check the "secret" fuel filter in the fuel inlet elbow on the carb and work your way back to the tank to find out where the restriction is.

If your supply is OK, then replace the plug, start the tractor and run it til it dies and recheck the spark. If spark is now weak (orangey or yellowish scrawny spark). Check all the primary ignition connects (clean, bright, and tight)and if that doen't fix it, I'd suspect the coil.

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bhanks55

09-22-2005 05:31:02




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 Re: to35 runs perfectly for 30 minutes then goes d in reply to Jerry/MT, 09-21-2005 19:45:41  
Exactly where is the fuel inlet elbow? Is this the joint, fitting, where the fuel line connects to the carb? Where is the filter in relation?
thanks for the great info everyone!!



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Jeff-oh

09-22-2005 05:36:38




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 Re: to35 runs perfectly for 30 minutes then goes d in reply to bhanks55, 09-22-2005 05:31:02  
The filter in the fuel inlet elbow is at the carb.

The brass block that the fuel line attaches to has a screen filter the fits into the carb.

Remove the fuel line from the carb then with a wrench gently unscrew the brass block from the carb. A screen filter should be attached and pull out once this block is removed.

you can clean yourself, or if it needs to be replaced they are ~$2.90 at TSC.

Hope this helps

Jeff

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Larry from New York

09-21-2005 16:22:14




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 Re: to35 runs perfectly for 30 minutes then goes d in reply to bhanks55, 09-21-2005 10:01:00  
COIL! It's always the coil.



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Martini

09-21-2005 12:32:32




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 Re: to35 runs perfectly for 30 minutes then goes d in reply to bhanks55, 09-21-2005 10:01:00  
Try to verify there is no fuel blockage
and if that is not the fault check condenser
and coil, these two are heat/time sensitive
components.



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albert betts

09-21-2005 10:45:19




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 Re: to35 runs perfectly for 30 minutes then goes d in reply to bhanks55, 09-21-2005 10:01:00  
Sounds like your gas cap might not be vented. When it quits the next time unscrew the gas cap and see if the tank sucks air.. It might start up after you release the gas cap. Let Us Know...Albert



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bhanks55

09-21-2005 14:19:06




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 Re: to35 runs perfectly for 30 minutes then goes d in reply to albert betts, 09-21-2005 10:45:19  
Thanks for the fast replies

I had just replaced the condenser about 2 months ago. I will check the coil. I"ve got a new spare that I will likely change just to rule it out for sure. The condenser may need replacing again as well.

I left the gas cap off during operation for one of those cycles to see if it made a difference and it still went dead. I did not note any suction when I took it off multiple times tring to see if it would effect the flow unless it ran for a long time and it was not reproducable. It happened maybe twice over the four days and it was working okay when that happened.

Also, this tractor has worked fine for the two years that I have had it with the same gas cap. Could the cap"s vent changed in any way that could have caused this??

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Jeff-oh

09-22-2005 05:32:44




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 Re: to35 runs perfectly for 30 minutes then goes d in reply to bhanks55, 09-21-2005 14:19:06  
I am leaning to the gas tank and supply side. Not an electrical problem.

THe tank is a gravity fed system. As such, any fuel removed (i.e. used) needs to be replaced with air, else you start to form a vacuum. After about 30 min. The fuel supply stops and the engine quits. Most of the time there is not a complete bloackage, thus the girrgling/hissing sound. (unless your fuel is boiling) The sound is the air getting back into the tank. The fuel starts to flow again and it starts in about 2 minutes. But as the tank did not fully equalize with the ambiant pressure it happens again in short order.

Yes the cap vent can change. A piece of chafe gets in the hole and blockes it. Look at your cap and verify that the vent is clean and clear.


The one disturbing thing is you said you took the cap off and it still vent dead... Thus theory two.

Take a strong flash light and look through the gass fill hole and examine the inside of your tank. Is it clean? Is it rusty? are there bits of stuff in it?

As you changed the fuel filter and it worked for a while... the new one could be clogged now.

Also, did you change the fuel filter in the carb elbow?

just some thoughts Jeff

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bhanks55

09-22-2005 06:41:05




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 Re: to35 runs perfectly for 30 minutes then goes d in reply to Jeff-oh, 09-22-2005 05:32:44  
I did take off the sediment bowl to see if the filters were clogged. There was a small amount of trash but nothing substantial. I cleaned it and replaced it. Still doing the same thing.
I am going to check the fuel filter in the elbow this afternoon.
thanks guys!!



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Lou

09-21-2005 14:12:53




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 Re: to35 runs perfectly for 30 minutes then goes d in reply to albert betts, 09-21-2005 10:45:19  
Im bettin on Albert, anyone want to start a pool?Lou



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