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Im really confused now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Barry from Stir

10-21-2005 04:25:51




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Morning Guys
Well have I got an interesting one now. I havent had a chance to get a new battery yet, I will this weekend. Last night I boosted the TEA-2085 and finished bush-hogging the hill. It was getting a bit dark so I decided to turn on the lights. They worked great the night before. When I turned them on this time it almost stalled the tractor. I pushed in the light switch and the tractor came back to life. I thought, mmm whats going on here. I tried it again, this time I left the light switch on for about 10 seconds and the old girl was almost smuffed out from lack of power. I pushed the light switch back in and she roared right back to life. Would a dead battery do this????? ????? Im at a lost to figure this one out. Could all this be cause by a dead battery?? Thanks in advance,,, Barry

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Bill Brox

10-22-2005 13:38:31




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 Re: Im really confused now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Barry from Stirling, 10-21-2005 04:25:51  
:-) Hey... no need to be confused here.

Let us take this step by step. When you are driving the tractor from what you says, it seems normal. You can start it, and you can drive it, as long as you are not using your lights. Right ?
This tells me the battery is fine, and it tells me the charging is fine. If the battery or the charging where bad, you would have problems starting it. Let me tell you. If your battery is almost dead, either because it is worn out and needs to be replaced, or because the generator/alternator is not chargin it the ignition and lights will work much longer than the starter will do. The starter is the one that will be dead first.

I have no idea how your tractor is wired. If it is wired originally it is easier.

Normally there should be a wire from the primary side of the starter switch on top of the gearbox in front of the steering box, that goes to the primary side of the ign. switch. Check for loose ends on this wire. Then, it can be a bad ignition switch that does not allow enough current to go through it. Then it can be a loose connection on the secondary side of the ign. switch.

It can of course be other things, but I am pretty sure you would find the problem within this area.

The reason for my conclusion is that what you say leads me to think that whenever you turn on the lights, there is an increase in the current from the battery to the lights. It has to be a higher resistance than normal somewhere in the harness that goes to both the ignition and the lights to cause the problem that you are describing. If it was a loose connection in the harness from the light fuse to the lights the lights would lit up badly, but the ign. would not suffer.

Well, I guess this is enough for now. Let us hear what you find.


Best regards, Bill

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Barry from Stirling

10-23-2005 07:04:21




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 Re: Im really confused now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Bill Brox, 10-22-2005 13:38:31  
Morning Bill
Your partly right. I have to boost the tractor to get it to going. I changed the battery on the weekend. Im pretty sure now its the alternator. There was no chargeing what so ever. I boosted the tractor yesterday morning at 7:30am and she ran until 2:30pm with the new battery installed,, never was turned off. When I was done throwing in my winters wood I turned off the old girl. I tried to start her back up and there was nothing. My alternator will be coming off today to be taken and repaired. Thanks to everyone who responded. These old tractors are,, if nothing else fun, not to mention frustrating. I guess thats why they call them the grey menace .

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clixtars

10-26-2005 01:19:59




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 Re: Im really confused now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Barry from Stirling, 10-23-2005 07:04:21  
A bad or worn ignition switch will also cause this problem.I got a new one from Yesterdaystractors, solved my problem.



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Bill Brox

10-23-2005 11:38:20




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 Re: Im really confused now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Barry from Stirling, 10-23-2005 07:04:21  
Well,,, here you see my bad English... I was not familiar with the term "boost". If you had used the term "recharged" I would have responded totally different.

Sorry. But, good you have found the problem.


Bill



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Bill Brox

10-22-2005 13:41:41




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 Re: Im really confused now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Bill Brox, 10-22-2005 13:38:31  
Excuse me, I forgot to mention, at least some TEA have a fuse box with 1 fuse connected to the starter switch. This can also be corroded and cause the problem you describe.


Bill



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

10-21-2005 19:30:24




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 Re: Im really confused now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Barry from Stirling, 10-21-2005 04:25:51  
Any chance your fan belt is slipping? Try some molasses on the belt and see if it improves the lighting performance.



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Barry from Stirling

10-24-2005 10:35:56




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 Re: Im really confused now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 10-21-2005 19:30:24  
Hi Rod
Nope fan belt is fine. No slipage what so ever. Good point tho.



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gerard

10-21-2005 12:20:42




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 Re: Im really confused now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Barry from Stirling, 10-21-2005 04:25:51  
But not as confused as I am after reading all this.
If you have an alternator DONT disconnect battery with engine running. Usually destroys alternator regulator.



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Barry from Stirling

10-21-2005 12:35:47




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 Re: Im really confused now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in reply to gerard, 10-21-2005 12:20:42  
ARGGGGG GGGGG Scratching my head here, wondering where to go now. I think I will just buy a new battery



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gerard

10-21-2005 15:22:42




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 Re: Im really confused now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Barry from Stirling, 10-21-2005 12:35:47  
Why not a) check all connections, b) test the battery - (with hydrometer) first. Or perhaps try another battery (from car, etc - even if it has to be put somewhere else & connected via decent jump-leads.
I don't believe in spending money if there's a chance the problem may be elsewhere without testing first. One can make very expensive mistakes that way. OK - a battery's not that much, but you'll be pi..ed off if it's still the same after.

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R W Wisehart

10-21-2005 07:28:20




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 Re: Im really confused now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Barry from Stirling, 10-21-2005 04:25:51  
Yes you are going to be confused with some of the answers you are getting, lets make this easy.
Start the tractor put on high idle, take off the + battery cable, if the tractor dies it is probably the gen or alt what ever you have on your tractor, if it stays running you will probably need a battery. Or take them both to a parts store and have them tested, it is not that big a deal



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Gary Schuell

10-21-2005 05:10:10




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 Re: Im really confused now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Barry from Stirling, 10-21-2005 04:25:51  
Barry, I suspect you have an alternator on 'er. An alternator only ouputs what is demanded of it at any given momment. If your battery is dead (or near dead) AND you have the lights on, you place a high demand on the alternator. A typical 55 Amp alternator requires 2HP to turn, a 100 Amp draws over 4HP!.. If your fergie was at idle it's probably only producing a few HP as it is operating well below its power curve. If your producing say 4 HP, at idle, and your alternator demands 2 HP, your engine will bog down. I suspect it is your battery. Gary (from 6th of Rawdon)

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Barry from Stirling

10-21-2005 05:28:15




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 Re: Im really confused now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Gary Schuell, 10-21-2005 05:10:10  
Morning Garry, are you kidding me!! Im on the 6th of Rawdon,, 187 Salem Rd to be exact. What a small world, stop in sometime
Barry



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danct

10-21-2005 05:01:12




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 Re: Im really confused now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Barry from Stirling, 10-21-2005 04:25:51  
Barry
sounds to me like you are working directly off the battery for your ignition to you spark plugs and the lites are hogging all the remaining juice ,thus killing it,if it were mine i would start back at the generator or alternator and measure the output with a meter and then go to the regulator and finally, if you are getting no output from your charging system no use un getting a new battery,sounds like i am getting in late on this discussion so im sorry if im repeating information you already have
Good luck
Danny,

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gshadel

10-21-2005 10:20:14




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 Re: Im really confused now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in reply to danct, 10-21-2005 05:01:12  
I'm late getting into this discussions to, but what I'm reading makes me want to agree with Danny, sounds like a charging problem. Your dead battery may be caused by your charging problem.

George



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Gary Schuell

10-21-2005 05:21:20




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 Re: Im really confused now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in reply to danct, 10-21-2005 05:01:12  
Barry, I agree with Danny, if your battery proves serviceable. If the battery is good, the alternator may still 'think' it needs to output more - the regulator is the 'brain' which determines this. If the regulator is faulty, it may command the alternator output full current, even though it isn't really needed (hence the engine bog down). Quinte Starter & Alternator, 5-77 Parks Dr in Belleville 966-5081 can bench test. Invest in a Battery Specific Gravity tester at Crappy Tire and test the battery's electrolyte. Easy to do and even one dead cell renders the battery junk. If your battery is the sealed type, you're SOL .

Gary

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