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Bill Brox

01-11-2006 04:51:40




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Hello there, I see you have a Ferguson, and that you do not have the serial number.

In front of the steering wheel there is supposed to be a plate with the number. If the top side of the cover is so corroded that you can not read the number, you can take off the plate and look on the underside. It might be possible to find the number that way as the figures were punched in and leave marks on the underside.

If the plate is missing, the main parts should have a casting number you can look at. It will not tell the date the tractor were assembled, but it will tell the date the parts were cast, and then you can sort of date it... they were assembled some time after the casting.

I am not good at the decoding of the figures, but I am sure others here can help with that.


Bill

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cdmn

01-18-2006 18:25:13




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 Re: To Slideways. in reply to Bill Brox, 01-11-2006 04:51:40  
I think every 4H kid is taught to NEVER start a tractor standing beside it. Don't get into a bad habit.



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Bill Brox

01-14-2006 06:06:14




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 Re: To Slideways. in reply to Bill Brox, 01-11-2006 04:51:40  
Well, do you know why the TE 20 series have the starter on the gear lever ?

It is because the inventor of the tractor, Harry Ferguson was in America and going to demonstrate the tractor to a lot of people, probably excited and in a hurry, he reached for the key, with the tractor in gear, turned the key, and the engine started and the tractor driving over his foot. In front of the audience.

Back to drawing, and redesigned the starting system. It should not be possible to start in gear... a tractor is so slow that the engine easily starts even in gear.


Bill

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Slideways

01-11-2006 09:11:35




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 Re: To Slideways. in reply to Bill Brox, 01-11-2006 04:51:40  
Ok, i"ll try popping it off. I know its the Z120 engine. My rear end has LEYS stamped into it. I believe that the steering column had 8795P stamped into it.

I got the tractor running again this weekend. Then i took off the battery and recharged it and seem to have knocked off a wire. Now it wont start. The tractor is now 12v and i knocked off the wire to the + side of the coil. I just dont know where it goes now.

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John (UK)

01-12-2006 08:54:10




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 Re: To Slideways. in reply to Slideways, 01-11-2006 09:11:35  
Leys were the people who made the castings for the tractor early on, there MAY be a number just forward of one of the round holes on the side under the seat, it may give three numbers like...2 4 8...this would be 2nd April 1948 but a lot of the early tractors didn't have this or it was very poorly shown in the casting.the tractor would have been built within about a month of that date. The TO series has the date cast into the trumpet housings and is supposed to be easy to see. If you need a wiring diagram, let me know, just tell me if it has an alternator or generator and if the alternator has a single or two wire connection.

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danct

01-11-2006 13:33:25




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 Re: To Slideways. in reply to Slideways, 01-11-2006 09:11:35  
Slideways
the coil has a wire coming in from the ignition switch and the other side goes out to the distributor Let us know how you do
Danny



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John (UK)

01-13-2006 13:23:28




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 Re: To Slideways. in reply to danct, 01-11-2006 13:33:25  
This all sounds like an accident waiting to happen to me.



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Slideways

01-11-2006 17:15:17




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 Re: To Slideways. in reply to danct, 01-11-2006 13:33:25  
My ignition has been redone and i"m not sure i like it. It has a toggle switch to "turn on the points" and then a solenoid (like a lawn tractor) with a button on the bottom as a starter. Somewhere in there that wire came off. When i touch it to either side of that solenoid it makes huge sparks.



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danct

01-11-2006 18:26:50




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 Re: To Slideways. in reply to Slideways, 01-11-2006 17:15:17  
seems like they bypassed the original starting setup ,which was the gear shift pushed towards S on the gearbox this in turn cut in the starter switch which is located on the top of the bell housing,this took BATTERY from one heavy battery cable and sent it out on the other heavy cable to the starter,this was a very safe way to do things ,what you have now is unsafe as it will start in gear and hurt you,be carefull till you decide if you are going to put it back the way it was designed Danny

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Slideways

01-12-2006 12:25:08




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 Re: To Slideways. in reply to danct, 01-11-2006 18:26:50  
Lol.. somebody else told me about the S position and how dangerous this was. I dont see how dangerous it could be unless you were drunk or dont know how to drive a manual trans. I just start it in Neutral or with the clutch in like a car. The tractor is so heavy that it wont just start rolling out of control.

I"d like to rewire this eventually so i can know what each wire is. The previous owner left the 6v solenoid in there and wire tied the 12v coil to the old 6v coil (real slick installation)..

Thanks

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Leroy

01-13-2006 06:18:21




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 Re: To Slideways. in reply to Slideways, 01-12-2006 12:25:08  
What happens when something distracts you while you are starting and you think you have put it in neutral and think you have got the clutch held down but you forgot to put it in neutral and the clutch is only halfway down enough to still move the tractor even if it is slipping even if you are on the seat, you will either runn into the shed wall, tree, car, implement or the person standing there talking to you and that is why you missed putting it in neutral to star with. Fix it correct, we don't want to see your obit here.

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phil(va)

01-12-2006 17:43:32




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 Re: To Slideways. in reply to Slideways, 01-12-2006 12:25:08  
The difference is, unlike an automobile, it is common to start a tractor while standing beside it. You do this to demo it, to work on it, to show it off, for lots of reasons. The only way you can do this is to stand just in front of the rear wheel. If it is in gear and starts it will run over you. If you start a car in gear, from outside the car, it doesn't have a 400 lb wheel and tire poised to run over you.

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