TE or TEA 20?

I'm really enjoying this...

Ivan

Anyway, if there is no indications that your engine has been replaced, rumors or from the former owner, you have an 85mm engine, 28.2 hp as you say.

As some said, it is not a Continental engine (TE 20) because those have the oil filler neck in front of the distributor while the Standard engine has them in the rear of the distr. Normally with the coil in between.

A serial number on a Standard engine always starts with an S, and usually ends with an E. It can end with an R too... that would be a factory remanfactured engine.
So, the serial number clearly indicated it is a Standard engine, and no Standard engines were put in a TE 20... only Continental engines were put in a TE tractor. As soon as it has a Standard engine it has 3 letters, TEA, TED, TEF and many many more.
There is one odd exception here, the TEB have a Continental engine, a narrow TE 20 with Continental engine. As far as I know the TE 20 were never made as a vineyard tractor, only standard width and narrow. The later tractors with Standard engines came as standard width and narrow and vineyard.

Sorry, I got carried away here a little... :-)

Anyway, anyone who has a UK built Ferguson, or Massey Ferguson, here is a site to visit.
www.fofh.co.uk

Bill

The "A" designation was given to the Coventry England built tractors that had Standard Motor Co. motor in them. The TE-20 has a US built Continental Co. Motor.

The story goes, HF needed to supply his US suppliers when Ford cut him off. Sir John Black of the Standard Motor Co. could build the tractors at his Coventry England plant but he could not tool up in time to supply the motors. HF contacted Continental and had ~ 45000 motors shipped to England to supply the manufacturing line. These were shipped to the US to supply the dealers there.

By Mid year 1948 Sir John Black started to supply his "Standard Motor" As supplies of the standard motor became available the Continental motor was weaned from the production line. Thus the two motors were intermixed in late '48 and possibly into early 1949. (most ref. say no TE's after SN 48000 but last week a gent hear on this site clamed to have an early '49 TE serial number in the 80,000's).

To keep the records straight on which engine was on a given tractor, the tractors with Standard motors were stamped "A" prior to the sequential serial number. Thus it is possible to have a Serial number TE: A43132 and TE: 43133 and a TE:A43134.

Now why there are few to no TO-20's in Canada... TAXES!!!! The TO-20 is a US built Tractor (Detroit, Michigan Plant) Because of taxes and governments. It was cheaper to ship a tractor from England to Canada, than from the US to Canada. Being part of the British Commonwealth Harry didn't have to pay the import taxes for the English built tractor. Yep, that simple. BTW: There are some 16 different TE models with designators from "A" to "T" letters indicating different configurations, diesel motors, industrial versions etc.

The easiest way to tell a TE from a TEA is to see which motor is in it. The Continental has the oil filler tube on the front left side and the oil filter in the oil pan, and has "Z120" cast into the left side of the block. A standard motor has the oil filler tube at the left rear of the engine and has an external oil filter. Physically there is no difference between the 80mm bore and the 85mm bore TEA engines on the outside. A reference I have states that the 85 mm bore engine was used on Tractors with SN's greater than A172598.

PS the TEA20-80 and or TEA20-85 are not official designators they are "user" designator to differentiate the motor difference.

I hope this helps
Jeff

Ivan

All TEA-20 have the same "Standard Motor Company" engine in them. Initial production had cylendar bores machined to 80mm in diameter and later engines "after SN 172598" had the cylendars machined to 85mm diameter. This increased displacement added 4 to 5 HP.

The "User" designation is TEA20-80 or TEA20-85. Though the -80 or -85 was not an official HF inc. term.

Jeff

Thanks,

Ivan