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JGoose

04-16-2006 02:34:53

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I'd like anyone's opinion about why I should buy a 1958 Ferguson TO-35 Deluxe and sell the 1948 Ford 8N that I have put a lot of time and money into. The Ferguson seems to be in very good shape and has only minor cosmetic issues. The tachometer shows 1800+/- hours and don't know much else except that it seems to run very well. It is avaiable through a third party as a result of bankruptcy. The only down side I can think of is parts availability / cost vs Ford items. The answer seems obvious but would love to hear your comments, suggestions, and recommendations of things I should look at before I buy.

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JGoose

04-17-2006 13:20:59

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Re: Ferguson TO-35 in reply to JGoose, 04-16-2006 02:34:53

Thanks to everyone for the help on this, I really appreciate it (and my wife too)! Jeff

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Jim in OH

04-17-2006 18:32:06

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Re: Ferguson TO-35 in reply to JGoose, 04-17-2006 13:20:59

Awwww.. not going to share the decision with us???? Jim

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Jeff-oh

04-17-2006 13:50:19

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Re: Ferguson TO-35 in reply to JGoose, 04-17-2006 13:20:59

To post a picture just go to the galleries to the left and follow the direction to up-load. posting within the message board is only little more difficult.

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Jim in OH

04-16-2006 15:37:51

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Re: Ferguson TO-35 in reply to JGoose, 04-16-2006 02:34:53

Parts availability is not an issue. I know that the "Ford" guys like to make that claim, but it is simply a myth.... and the Ferguson 35 was possibly the most popular tractor make/model ever produced (made as TO-35, MF-35, MF135, etc.) with essentially no big differences, except color and trim.... Comparing to Ford, the TO-35 is more similar to the 600 series Ford. Make sure that the 35 that you are looking at is a "deluxe" version though, (serial number stating with SGM not SGF) otherwise you will will not have live PTO/hydraulics. Jim

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JGoose

04-16-2006 17:31:59

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Re: Ferguson TO-35 in reply to Jim in OH, 04-16-2006 15:37:51

Thanks Jim in OH. Parts seems to be a non-issue and I appreciate the info on the s/n relationship to a live-PTO. That is an important item for me since the 8N's do not have it. I will be conducting a serial number check and compression test in the morning and if everything looks good, I plan on giving the purchase serious consideration. I take it you would agree.

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Jim in OH

04-16-2006 18:54:46

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Re: Ferguson TO-35 in reply to JGoose, 04-16-2006 17:31:59

Also, you should also be able to feel the "two stage" clutch when you try it out (assuming it is the SGM). The first half of the downward disengagement is the normal transmission disengagement... the second half is the PTO/hydraulics (assuming that you have them "on")...and yes I like the 35 but as for buying it...depends on price... but it is worth more than the 8n in the same condition. I'd probably keep both at least until I was sure I had all of the cobwebs out of the 35... but 1800 hours is not too many (if the tach is working)... about like a 75,000 mile car... Jim

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JGoose

04-17-2006 03:23:25

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Re: Ferguson TO-35 in reply to Jim in OH, 04-16-2006 18:54:46

I'll be sure to note the operation of the two-stage clutch. Also, I've noticed you and others on the board have mentioned live hydraulics on the TO-35 Deluxe. This again is something my 8N does not have, so what can you tell me?

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Jeff-oh

04-17-2006 08:35:55

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Re: Ferguson TO-35 in reply to JGoose, 04-17-2006 03:23:25

FYI.

The live hydraulics it a BIG BIG plus. as you know. Also it may have power steering. Look for the PS pump left side of engine and a hydo. cylendar.

BTW: SGM=

S Standard wide front
G Gas engine - If a diesel or high altitude it will have a different letter in 2nd position

F= single "Non-live" hydraulics
M= 2-stage clutch i.e. "Live" hydraulics
W= Multipower also "live" Hydraulics

This last weekend in Ohio 2 MF-35's went for
$7200 with loader
$5000 without. Both have power steering and multipower.

Jeff

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JGoose

04-17-2006 10:59:26

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Re: Ferguson TO-35 in reply to Jeff-oh, 04-17-2006 08:35:55

I went over to look at the tractor this morning and noted the following. I would include the pics I took but I'm not sure how to post, so we'll deal with that via e-mail if you want. The ID plate next to the steering column clearly identifies this to be a TO-35, s/n SGF 186448. I tried out the PTO operation and it stops rotating with the clutch depressed only half-way. NOTE: The PTO operates in the "engine" position only and does nothing in the "neutral" and "ground" position. I couldn't feel any noticeable "two-stage" part of the clutch as mentioned I should in a previous post. Although the tractor is clearly identified as a "Deluxe" by the decals on the hood, it doesn't have the live PTO specs. Is this a Deluxe "Special", or what? And most important, is this really any better than my 8N which has a new engine and a lot of other new / rebuilt parts.

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Jeff-oh

04-17-2006 13:48:09

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Re: Ferguson TO-35 in reply to JGoose, 04-17-2006 10:59:26

The way a two stage clutch works is that as the clutch pedal is depressed, the transmission clutch is engaged stoping the tractor while the PTO remains powered, then the PTO clutch engages stopping the PTO.

To test you needed the the transmission engaged and be moving. Engage the clutch until the tractor stops. If a two stage then the PTO will still be turning.

Most likely the decals have been changed, however, dash panels and tags can also be changed. Per the SN it is a single stage clutch. Is it the correct SN?

The Ground PTO Mode is just that the PTO moves in relation to your ground speed. If you were not moving then the PTO does not turn.

Assuming it is indeed a single stage clutch the advantage of a MF-35 are:

Power
Ford 8N Drawbar HP: 21HP - Neb Test 393
MF-35 Drwabar HP: 30HP - Neb Test 564

and Gears
The MF-35 has a slow enough gear and power to run a tiller.

There is your delima... A slightly lesser "Known-condition" machine. vs. more powerful, but "Unknown-condition" machine.

What is the asking price on the MF-35? If they are asking $4K then I'd say no way. If 2K I saw it's worth it.

Jeff

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Jim in OH

04-17-2006 12:12:05

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Re: Ferguson TO-35 in reply to JGoose, 04-17-2006 10:59:26

Sounds like a "Special" repainted like a "Deluxe". From a versatility point of view, I'd say not much different that your 8N (and none of the nostalga). The 35 will have slightly more power, 6 forward speeds instead of 4, but without the live PTO/hydraulics, personally, I'd pass unless I thought I could resell it for $1000 more than I am paying... I know your delema.... YOu find what you think is a great deal, but in the end you just end up with two of the same thing... [I sometimes have 4 great deals of the same thing before my wife pounds (not literally) some sense into me... or uses it as an excuse to find herself a "great deal"] :-) Jim

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